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It wasn't just 8 or 9 games to round back into form after his last injury. It was 6 games and then an entire offseason and then however many games in 2023 you would argue it took him in 2024. Von now has an entire offseason to get his body right and recover. You're actually convincing me even more that cutting Von simply won't happen. It's clear you think it's strictly his age as the reason he's "shot." You've hitched your wagon to that idea, and that's fine. Brandon Beane signed him to a contract that very clearly intended to keep him for at least 3 years, plus the previous restructure. Von Miller is not getting cut. He'll have the offseason to recover and get right and then we get to see what percent of the old Von he is in 2024. Douglas played "pretty well????" "80% Tre White is an upgrade on him"????? Are you just trolling everyone?

Von Miller is one of the absolute best pass rushers in NFL history. The fact that you believe suddenly he won't even belong on an NFL field less than 2 years removed from 8 sacks in 10 games is pretty amazing to me.

Wow... seriously disagree on this. Tre had 2 injuries to the same leg basically 2 years in a row. And the 2nd injury is considered a much worse injury than the first. Meanwhile, Von's first injury was years ago. Yes, age might be a factor, but Von fully recovered from his first injury and was back to his old self for years. We never truly saw that happen after Tre's first injury. I think Von's age just made for a longer recovery time. I think we keep both guys, but if I were to bet on which one is going to have a better 2024 season, it's Von by a longshot.

Really didn't mean to offend in terms of age, but our failures in the playoffs especially in the 13 second game certainly had something to do with Frazier's "bend don't break" defensive mentality that he's notorious for. Same goes for other big games we've lost, including the Houston playoff game in 2019. Age aside, Frazier's defenses were always great in the regular season, but were a huge contributor if not THE contributor to our final losses in 4 consecutive playoff games. That Bengals game last year Burrow picked the Bills D apart because Frazier approached the game with what everyone could tell was obviously the wrong game plan.

Yes, I think he gets at least that production.

Miller looked pretty good against KC and finally had a couple game impacting reps against Pittsburgh. Yes, he will be 35. Bruce Smith had 10 sacks in his age 37 season and 9 sacks in his age 39 season. I will go on record that Von rebounds in 2024.

@GunnerBill I agree with several of your takes in this thread, but not on Von. He had an ACL tear and finally started showing something in the last couple games of the season. Outside of Groot, Von may have been the best DL against KC. The financials to cut him just don't make sense knowing that he was exactly what we signed him for before his injury in 2022 and that he was less than a year and 2 months out of his injury in the KC game. He's a 1st ballot HOFer who was still playing like one at age 33 until he got injured. If he's 75-80% of Von Miller, he's worth it to keep under that CAP hit. Floyd was a lottery ticket this year we hit on. A lot of those same vet Edge Rushers that signed in that late wave were total busts. Bird in the hand...

McDermott is the General leading them. The Coordinators are the Captains. How did it work with a geriatric DC in Frazier?

Moving on from Knox this year doesn't financially make sense. Ask the CAP experts. Also, Knox is actually a huge asset for this team in 12 Personnel, which we're likely to use a lot of. I could see us moving on from Poyer, but probably not because I think McDermott will want him in there as a veteran presence to teach everyone else. See my other comments about White. I doubt we move him, but we'll restructure his contract. No, I think Morse stays for similar reasons as Poyer. He's also still playing at a pretty high level.

Hyde is gone. I think people need to come to grips with the fact that it's way more likely that Tre is still on the roster next season, just under a reworked deal. If you listen to any of the experts on the CAP stuff like Mike Giniti from Spotrac or Greg Thompsett from Cover_1, they say what will almost certainly happen with Tre is a reworked deal I think Dorian Williams is going to be an important X-factor moving forward. So many NFL offenses shifting to 21 and 12 personnel and so many NFL defenses are going back to using 3 and even 4 LBs pretty frequently. The Chiefs and Lions are 2 great examples of that.

We have 10 draft picks. If you think Beane drafts 10 players and doesn't use any of those assets to trade up throughout the draft, you're nuts. If we were to trade our 1st & 4th again to move up a couple spots or even our 1st, 3rd, & 4th to move up 6 or 7 spots to get OUR guy, the Bills would still have 8 or 9 total draft picks. At that point you rely on your scouting team. And here's the thing... Beane has been drafting guys in the later rounds who still end up playing on active rosters in the NFL. The problem has been that the Bills have been such a veteran team that those players can't displace the older Bills players. I could see the Bills getting serious contributors at RB, WR and DT in the mid to late rounds. Maybe the Safety of our future.

I'm gonna be honest... it took me some time to get over our season. I'm good now. Now I'm excited not just for next season, but our future. First of all, Buffalo has the 2nd youngest OC/DC combo in the NFL. Players advocate for these guys who have plenty of juice, so let em shake us all season long! Second, and most important, a lot of people are worried about our CAP while ignoring the 10 draft picks plus 9 future reserves we have in the waiting. Combine those with young stars already on the team like Bernard, Kincaid, Shakir, Brown, Benford & Rousseau and this team is about to get a lot younger as guys like Hyde, Poyer, Miller and Diggs exit in the next 2 or 3 years. To me, the future looks bright. Our most important player is about to become the veteran presence as everyone else around him gets younger. And it's by necessity because of our CAP situation. But don't be afraid of that... the Bills since McBeane have been in place have maintained one of the oldest rosters in the NFL. Always low to mid 20s, as far as ranking in the NFL... not as far as age. That means we've always been one of the 10 oldest teams in the NFL. Now we inject youth. This offseason it's inevitably going to come in the WR corps & DL especially, but it'll shift across positions moving forward. And we'll have a young OC & DC with a lot of juice to connect with them and a hypercompetitive QB with a handshake for everyone and Richard jokes to get them playing for him This team is actually going through some drastic changes this offseason... it has me excited!!!

I'm saying Beane has 8 other picks to play with along with that 1st and 3rd round pick.

How much before?

I watched the First Draft video and came away thinking Brian Thomas would be a perfect fit in this offense and is the realistic guy we should target. I read through the page 1 comments and everyone's talking about other WRs, but I want to know where Thomas projects in round 1. Beane gives up draft assets every single year and with 10 draft picks he's going to have more assets to play with than ever.

Here's what I learned from this thread title: I need glasses.

No. Way too expensive in a deep WR class. I do think Beane trades up, but not into the top 10. Super early in the process, but I think if a guy like Brian Thomas falls to the late teens, Beane starts making phone calls.

I think it's that Brady implemented more down the field passes, which are harder to catch--and priority #1 in the draft is a field stretching WR who can track the ball and actually catch it--along with a complete shift in philosophy getting Diggs the ball behind the LOS on those bubble screens, which seemed kinda foreign to him and was where some of his drops were.

Allen was just incredibly unlucky as far as turnovers go this season, particularly the first half of the season. Since you're talking about Allen in the Broncos game, this tweet seems relevant: Allen had the 2nd lowest turnover worthy play % up through that Denver Bronco game. And that Bronco game gives a great example of how unlucky Allen was this year in terms of his turnovers... Interceptions in particular. That first interception was the result of a perfectly thrown pass to a wide open Gabe Davis, but stone-hands-Gabe not only dropped it, but tipped it perfectly so the defender behind him could catch it. That's Josh Allen's season. He actually had his best year in the NFL in terms of decision making, but his worst year in terms of luck.

I got them from Joe Marino in this podcast: I don't know where exactly Joe got the numbers, but Joe has plenty of credibility to trust those numbers are accurate. I just thought it was super interesting because I think Brady did a great job, but we had a lot more drops. I think on NFL Live Dan Orlovsky was doing a bit showing how the switch from Dorsey to Brady shifted a lot more of our passing focus to passes behind the LOS with screens and balls down the field. And as we saw in the KC game, it's a lot of those down the field passes that wind up being drops. James Cook dropped multiple TDs that would also be considered those "down the field" passes.

It's hard to determine why this happened, but once Brady took over, Buffalo had: 21 drops 10.1% drop rate Both worst in the NFL over that span

You need to compare Allen to similar body types. Basically compare him with Cam Newton, Steve McNair, Colin Kaepernick and John Elway. I think those are the only real "running" QBs Allen aligns with. I think McNair and Kaep just weren't all that great, anyway. And Newton was undone by shoulder surgeries and a dead arm. Elway should really be your great exception. Unlike Steve Young, Elway played every single year of his long career and was the Super Bowl MVP in the last game of his career. I think Allen aligns with Elway the most in terms of just about everything.

Yep... let's just hope we don't have to wait as long for a Super Bowl

Josh is just now entering the prime years as an NFL QB, which are typically between 27-32. I disagree even with the notion of Josh not being a runner anymore. He may not run as much and may slow down a little, but I'm thinking and hoping it's more because of his improvement at pre and post snap reads to throw the ball. Big Ben may have slowed down late in his career, but even at the end of his career he was still super difficult to bring down. I've said it time and time again that I think QBs get hurt more in the pocket. Josh's 2 elbow injuries (the rookie year one, which was the only one to keep him out of games in his career, and last year) and his shoulder injury from this season were all from inside the pocket, not running. Russel Wilson just rushed for 341 yards and 3 TDs in his age 35 season Aaron Rodgers rushed for 269 yards and 2 TDs in his age 35 season. Josh is going to be in his prime for at least the next half decade... he just needs to continue to grow in terms of knowing when to slide/go out of bounds and when to lower his shoulder. Super Bowl next year!!!!!!