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https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/10/what-we-learned-from-the-buffalo-bills-loss-to-new-york-jets-week-14-josh-allen-tredavious-white-stephen-hauschka-jerry-hughes-lorenzo-alexander/3/ What we learned from the Bills loss to the Jets Allen hasn’t broken giveaways yet Allen can run no matter what Tre’Davious White is human Pass rush needs help Crossman gotta go

That mother *****!!!! Watching that play where Hauschka gets injured is infuriating!!! The fact that there was no flag is despicable!

Sounds like McDermott always expects Allen to be a serious running threat. Good, that's part of what makes him special. Just continue working on his pocket passing, which I think is light years better than the national narrative presents it.

Why? What's the point of this? I'm not going to be crazy upset if we lose our next 3 games and lose them the same way we lost the last couple weeks. But if we lose our last 3 games the way we lost to Baltimore, Indy and the Bears, I'm going to be seriously concerned. This Sunday's game the game I'd choose of our remaining 3 that I'm most okay with losing. I really, really wanna see the Bills play a little bit of spoiler to the Pats and Dolphins. These last 3 weeks are still about the growth of Allen primarily, along with some of our younger guys like Edmunds and Foster. If we win our next 3 and those young guys look good, who cares about the 5 or 6 draft spots it'll cost us? We aren't drafting a QB in the 1st round this year, so draft positioning just doesn't matter all that much. Plus, isn't this a really top-heavy draft for Defense? Yeah, I don't think we're focusing on the defense much this offseason.

EDIT: I'm responding to that Rodak tweet about Allen's adjusted completion %... don't know why it's not showing up as I quote you. All sorts of other funny things come into play with this stat, though. Each website offers its own subjective view of these passes. Was last week's final pass to Clay a drop or an inaccurate pass counting against Allen's adjusted completion % for ESPN? I'd be curious. Also, there are other passes that I think are accurate passes, but aren't drops, either. I'm thinking of a pass (I think it was to Zay in the End Zone) that was thrown by Allen on a designed play where Jones was clearly supposed to go to the sideline. Allen threw it up to a spot where only Jones could catch it with the opportunity to keep his feet in bounds. Zay couldn't keep his feet in bounds, despite catching the football. I can't remember when that pass happened, but the broadcast replayed it multiple times. How do these types of stats account for passes like that? I mean, it's obviously not a catch, so it's an incomplete pass, but is a WR who catches the ball, but can't keep his feet in bounds even though he probably should have somehow less of an indictment than a drop? Shouldn't it be counted in the same way as a drop is? Regardless, so this "adjusted completion %" moves Allen up 12% as a passer? That's a pretty signifcant bump.

Are you people watching these games? Yesterday, I saw drop after drop after drop. 1st half the stat of "3 dropped passes" was put up on the screen and in the 2nd half Jones had that blatant and unacceptable drop on a nicely thrown ball from Allen. That's AT LEAST 4 blatant drops. If those WRs catch those passes he's over 60% as a passer in the Jets game. The exact same thing happened in Miami last week, where he ALSO would have been over 60% as a passer if our WRs/TEs could catch the damn ball. These aren't even crazy, acrobatic catches. Most of these are routine passes our guys just drop. But yeah, let's look at his statistics and see that his completion % is below 50% and he is therefore inaccurate, but ignore all those drops along with the FACT that Allen has the highest depth of target in the NFL at 11.02 yards and he's been climbing the rungs of the "average length of completions" ladder in the NFL since he started the season, where he's now 7th in the NFL where he was 16th early this season, which means early this season he was missing a lot of those deep passes, but over the season he's been hitting a lot more of them. He's getting better. You just have to actually WATCH him play!

Are you people watching these games? Most of Allen's bad hits are behind the LOS because the OL sucks. Now, some of them are because he's escaped initial pressure and then is chased down and hit a 2nd time, but still behind the LOS. When Allen gets beyond the LOS and runs, he's been generally protecting himself pretty damn well, sliding and giving himself up diving to the ground. And Pat friggin White? Seriously? Look, there's always a risk in Football, and if/when Allen gets seriously injured, I bet people will say "see!!!! I told you a running QB would never last!!!" But QBs get hurt in the pocket or behind the LOS significantly more than running QBs beyond the LOS. Jimmy G early this season is a good example of a QB running stupid. But the other thing is Allen's pure physical stature, which is really going to protect him significantly when it comes to injury. You can't compare Allen to QBs like Tyrod or Vick or Pat friggin White purely because his God-Given physical stature is going to end up protecting him significantly more than those other guys. Allen is always going to be a "running QB" in the sense that he'll scramble a helluva lot more than pocket QBs like Brady, Rivers, Goff, Rosen, etc. But we just want to see him continue to develop as a passer, too, which he's doing if you actually watch him.

Don't agree with this. Special Teams is the reason we lost this game, plain and simple. If our Special Teams were even adequate, we win. That, to me, makes this an acceptable loss because Special Teams is, I think, easier to fix and less important than Offense and Defense, which both looked pretty good. Allen and Foster are still bright spots on this offense. 4 or 5 blatant drops in this game. Allen was getting hit behind the LOS because of just pi$$ poor protection. Allen's 1st interception was a throw he shouldn't have made, but you could say the same thing about Darnold in the game, who also made the same throw/int. Allen's last interception might have been a bad throw, but 70 seconds, no timeouts and a long field to go NEEDING a TD really is not a decent amount of time. He was trying to make a play. This is going to be an offense-heavy offseason and I'm pretty excited about next season already because with Allen in his 2nd year in Dabol's system, things should really progress. And I'm really starting to dig Dabol's creativity.

This article is from last week and analysis of the Miami game, but I think it's pertinent to the ongoing discussion about "Allen needs to stop running!" continuing after the Jets game: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/12/6/18126838/is-josh-allen-too-quick-to-abandon-pocket-zay-jones-buffalo-bills-dolphins-kiko-alonso-charles-clay Is Josh Allen too quick to abandon the pocket? In assessing the pulse of the blog following last Sunday’s game, it seems Buffalo Rumblings readers were generally pleased with Josh Allen’s performance against the Miami Dolphins, even though the Buffalo Bills wound up losing the game. Many pointed to the catchable ball to Clay on the goal line that would have put the Bills ahead by three with under a minute left to play. Fans weren’t universally positive about Allen’s performance. One point that appeared a couple of times was that it appeared Allen was too quick to bail out of pockets. I believe that line of thought is worth an in-depth look. ... The notion that Allen was taking off early, either to scramble or just to buy time, would seem to be quashed. He wasn’t bailing out of clean pockets and didn’t do so until the very last play. He made good decisions on when to scramble and when to run, and generally did an exceptional job of seeing and sensing pressure. He took two sacks, one of which is bound to happen when the offensive tackle guarding his blind side isn’t very good at his job. Even then, Allen has to trust Dawkins to do a better job than he did in Miami. The other sack, yes, is on Allen. He has to get the ball out when he sees the defensive back coming on a blitz and has a man open to avoid the negative play.

The fact that these are our standards of "great catch" is kinda sad considering they're pretty routine catches by NFL standards. The answer is no. I'm already exhausted by the inevitable ignorance of the national media when it comes to the incredible lack of talent on our WR corps and the "well, that's who Josh Allen is!!!" narrative that's going to come when talking about his completion % and turnovers. Here's an article, of course a local-based publication, that gets it: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/10/josh-allen-dazzles-for-buffalo-bills-but-needs-more-around-him-to-shine-new-york-jets-sam-darnold/ Josh Allen dazzles for Bills but needs more around him to shine Something that stands out though to nearly every fan who’s watched Allen try and work his magic on nearly every play is just how much Allen is able to do with the “weapons” he has. The team’s tight end position has been a non-factor and their receiving core is made up of guys who all haven’t been in Buffalo for more than two seasons. Not to mention, Allen is currently the team’s leading rusher. A lot of that falls on the team’s offensive line. Heading into the contest, Pro Football Focus ranked the Bills’ starting five as the second-worst run-blocking group in the NFL. Their pass-blocking also failed to show on Sunday. In total, Allen was hit 10 times which including three sacks. Standing at a podium following the game, Allen looked defeated and beat up. From what Allen has had to work with this season, he isn’t exactly working miracles but he’s not far off. On the other side of the field on Sunday, No. 3 overall pick Sam Darnold doesn’t have a fantastic supporting cast, but they sure as heck looked like one compared to Allen’s. In fact, he took zero QB hits in the game and his receiving core is miles ahead of Buffalo’s. Robby Anderson made Tre’Davious White look bad, which is rare.

Nah... I think the whole idea that even making a statement like this vodoos the whole idea is pretty ridiculous. I'm saying exactly what I think is going to happen. Allen will be our Franchise QB. Darnold will be the Jets' Franchise QB. Same division and same draft class ala Kelly and Marino. The comparison is a pretty obvious one, I think.

Looks to me like he's doing that for the most part. Our OL is just absolutely atrocious. Also, you can't really fault him for running on some of those plays where the field just opened up in front of him where he can gain 20+yards pretty easily. Get him some legit weapons this offseason and I think he will. But people should also get kinda used to Allen being a bit of a gunslinger.

No *****!!!! Special Teams is the primary reason we've lost multiple games this year! I think, though, in a lost season (playoff wise at least) like this, our Special Teams sucking and losing us multiple games in spite of our D and our QB might bode pretty well for the future.

You guys are nutty, or trolls, or Jets fans. Actually, based off that last sentence, it's clear PearlHowardMan is NOT a Bills fan. The simple truth is this: Allen vs Darnold is the new Kelly vs Marino. Anyone who bothered watching that game today knows the Bills lost because our Special Teams sucks and our WRs/TEs can't catch. Allen IS our offense. I think today made me even more excited about Allen and even more convinced that next year he's going to have a great year and put this team in serious contention. Regardless, the next 10-15 years of Allen vs Darnold should be fun. Again, reminding me of the whole Kelly vs Marino thing. These guys are gonna love competing against one another foe years to come.

I posted that quote in another thread. The self-awareness is good, but the truth is his worst hits didn't come on plays where he ran the football, they came behind the LOS. Allen is always going to be a serious running threat. It's obviously part of his game. And it affords him some flexibility in growing as a passer in the pocket, which is something he needs to continue working on.

Not a clue why but your video isn't showing up for me, but just from what I recall watching that game I thought that particular play was a designed screen to Shady and I remember getting mad at Dabol, rather than Allen or Shady.

Well said, and that throw to Jones that was overturned was just a fantastic NFL throw just like the throw to Thompson up the deep middle of the field was a really good throw. Those 2 players hold on to those passes, suddenly Allen is over 60% completion %. Sure, you can play that game with other QBs, but the thing is, every week as I sit in the bar focused on the Bills game but attentive to all the others, I notice catches routinely made team by team by team that we would probably view as "incredible!!!" because our WRs rarely--if ever--make those catches. I'm glad we cut Benjamin. That's a start.

Allen can get better, obviously. The point is that if you actually watch Allen play, you realize that his completion % simply isn't a reflection of his accuracy, especially over the last 2 games. You can find complete ineptitude in certain now departed members of our WR corps along with miscommunication expected out of a rookie QB and drops, plain and simple, from other members like Jones, Thompson, and Clay--and that was all just in the Miami game! Sure, Allen should work on his accuracy, but really not much more than most top 10 rookie QBs who have strolled into the league in the last couple decades. In other words, I'm pretty impressed with Allen's accuracy this year, but I also want/expect to see him improve it.

He can't run the routes and catch the balls, too... or can he??? ?