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And in that game he threw 11 catchable passes, 5 uncatchable passes, 2 throwaways and had 1 pass batted/tipped. That Interception was the 1 incompletion that should have been a catch. It was to Andre Holmes and pretty much hit him right between the hands and bounced high into the air. And if it didn't hit him in the hands, it pretty much would have embedded itself into his helmet. That's how on-target that pass that counted not just as an incompletion but also as an interception was, and it's actually the perfect example of why maybe you should try this exercise rather than just pointing out stats, so thank you.

The last game I watched of Wentz was maybe the worst game I saw from any of the rookies I saw accuracy-wise. He was for sure in what I charted as that game he had the biggest number of uncatchable passes and the highest percentage of uncatchable passes over the other rookies, but I'm talking anecdotally. I'm talking about just how wildly off-target he was in that game. He looked worse in that game than Allen looked in any game he played. Whatever conclusions you may think I want, I chose to do this very simple uncatchable vs. catchable (ball hits--or can hit--palm of hand = Catchable vs ball doesn't hit--or can't hit--palm of hand = Uncatchable) because It severely diminishes any subjectivity in the matter.

Well, doesn't really save me the work because I'm trying to place these guys on a scale in context of each other. As of right now Wentz is ranked #1. If what you say is true I wonder how much his numbers fall. After him I think I'm gonna do the Golden Boy: Andrew Luck.

Good. I hope they get it. He is literally the ONLY significant contributor on our D this past year who is a UFA. Maintaining our D this coming year would be huge. I think our O takes steps forward... big steps. If our D is still as good, we're golden. But gotta start working on extending Hughes relatively quickly, too. We can't let him walk.

I'm halfway through Wentz's rookie season. He played all 16 games, so I'm through 8 games and 275 pass attempts... which is just 45 less than Allen attempted this year: Catchable pass % excluding Throwaways and Spikes: 80.7% Throwaway/Spike %: 2.2% Interceptable Pass %: 5.9% Catchable pass % excluding BOTH throwaways AND tipped/batted balls: 84.4% And yes, his numbers are dropping off for good reason... he got significantly less accurate after his strong start. His week 9 game vs the Giants is one of the worst I saw from any of the rookies. He had 13 uncatchable passes. That's the highest number I charted in any of the games. Granted, he threw 47 passes, but those passes were the types of head-scratchers I'm sure the national media points to when they think of Allen. Let's see what Wentz's 2nd half of the season brings...

I'm excited about him. But I was also excited about Da'Rick Rogers.

5 games through Wentz's rookie season: Catchable pass % excluding Throwaways and Spikes: 83.6% Throwaway/Spike %: 3.2% Interceptable Pass %: 5.3% Catchable pass % excluding BOTH throwaways AND tipped/batted balls: 88.2% 1st 5 games resemble the strong start I remembered for Wentz in his rookie year.

My thoughts are we could cut all our TEs and replace them with just about anyone and I wouldn't be upset.

One of the most awkward players I've ever seen with the ball in his hands... not a clue who thought he was some kind of hybrid athletic RAC guy, but he's not. The other problem, of course, is getting it in h8s hands. More drops than any other Bills player I think I've ever seen.

Wow, what a moron.

Ummm... aren't 3 picks missing?

Good one! Everything all right there, pal? Last couple years you've just been getting more and more bitter.

Doing Carson Wentz right now. Looking pretty good just a couple games in. He was really given the reins of the offense, that's for sure. Catchable pass % excluding Throwaways and Spikes: 79.4% Throwaway/Spike %: 4.2% Interceptable Pass %: 7.4% Catchable pass % excluding BOTH throwaways AND tipped/batted balls: 88.5% Wentz is getting a lot of balls batted and tipped; both at the line and en route to the WR.

https://theathletic.com/793402/2019/02/04/the-athletics-nfl-super-bowl-era-franchise-rankings/ Tier One — The Heavyweights 1. Pittsburgh Steelers Last year: No. 1 Total: 114 points The Steelers passed Dallas to vault into first place a few years ago themselves, but now they find their lead completely erased to a single point over the hard-charging Patriots. Yes, they are in first place, but only barely. The Steelers are the most successful team that has accomplished something of note in every decade and have therefore been a worthy leader for some time. They hold the slimmest lead possible over the Patriots by virtue of having been to five more playoffs and one more championship game. Now we will see if New England has another run in them to go first all-time. Until then, the football world continues to chase this fine franchise from Pittsburgh who missed the playoffs this year, but has been in the mix annually for almost as long as the Super Bowl era has existed. Total playoff years: 72C, 73, 74S, 75S, 76C, 77, 78S, 79S, 82, 83, 84C, 89, 92, 93, 94C, 95SL, 96, 97C, 01C, 02, 04C, 05S, 07, 08S, 10SL, 11, 14, 15, 16C, 17 Playoff years: 30 | Final Fours: 8 | Super Bowl losses: 2 | Super Bowl wins: 6 Average: 2.15 points per season 2. New England Patriots Last year: No. 3 Total: 113 points The Patriots made Super Bowl 31 in the final year of Bill Parcells’ tenure and then had two playoff berths with Pete Carroll. That meant that they ended the previous millennium sitting on 17 points and in the NFL’s bottom third. Their surge since is obviously absurd and the most dominant two-decade stretch in NFL history. Thirteen Final Fours, nine Super Bowls, and six Lombardi Trophies boost their point total by 96 with Brady/Belichick, which matches the entire 53 years of the San Francisco 49ers; and they sit fourth all time! It’s hard to believe, but also hard to deny. We’ve never seen anything like the Patriots and we likely never will again. Passing Dallas on Sunday, they now sit just one point back after sitting near the bottom of the league when I started doing this 19 years ago. Total playoff years: 76, 78, 82, 85SL, 86, 94, 96SL, 97, 98, 01S, 03S, 04S, 05, 06C, 07SL, 09, 10, 11SL, 12C, 13C, 14S, 15C, 16S, 17SL, 18S Playoff years: 25 | Final Fours: 4 | Super Bowl losses: 5 | Super Bowl wins: 6 Average: 2.13 points per season Tier Two — The Light Heavyweights Tier Three -- The Middleweights Tier Four — The Welterweights Bears win tiebreaker over Bills based on Super Bowl wins, 1-0. 19. Buffalo Bills Last year: No. 17 Total: 35 points The Bills returned to the playoffs in 2017 for the first time since the turn of the century. The are famously known for winning four consecutive AFC championship games and then losing each Super Bowl in painful succession. As any Buffalo fan will tell you, only a great team can lose four straight Super Bowls, but that doesn’t heal the wound much. Since that final Super Bowl loss at SB28, they have spent the last 25 years quietly. They actually drop two spots this season as the Ravens and Bears have jumped them. Total playoff years: 66C, 74, 80, 81, 88C, 89, 90SL, 91SL, 92SL, 93SL, 95, 96, 98, 99, 17 Playoff years: 15 | Final Fours: 2 | Super Bowl losses: 4 | Super Bowl wins: 0 Average: 0.66 points per season Tier Five — The Lightweights Tier Six -- The Featherweights

See in week 16 I saw 9 Incompletions that I thought were catchable. I actually made a note saying "maybe 8." On one of those passes a WR slipped. I saw 9 uncatchable in that game, but one of those appears to be a back shoulder throw that Zay doesn't turn around for. I saw 3 Throwaways, but one of those people might gripe with because it was the one with Allen escaping an inevitable safety in the EZ and flipping it to the sidelines. There was an RB (?) In the area but it looked to me like he was getting rid of the ball. My week 17 numbers look similar to yours--I see you also account for 2 Throwaways--but I thought one of his Incompletions was catchable.

Considering I came up with 78.1% overall for Catchable passes on the season, I'd say your 78% is pretty damn well in line with what I saw. And your anecdotal breakdowns of each game are great. Good stuff!

Hey, she never used our safe word

Well... I guess that would partially explain why he's bringin up irrelevant old $#!+ the way my wife does in the middle of and argument about why I didn't take the garbage out.

Dude... it's the offseason... allow a little fun, will ya? Soul mate or just one super hot chick after another.

Enough by what metric? Your own or the standard held to other NFL rookie QBs? If it's the latter--which is what I'd assume you're referring to--the worst thing I think you could say is that Allen's "inaccurate" passes were wider or more off the mark than the other rookies, but his inaccurate throws didn't actually happen with greater frequency than the other guys.

But it doesn't support your argument. I'm assuming you're pointing to my breakdown of Taylor throwing over the middle of the field a few years ago? #1: That wasn't an overly intricate or impossible to chart system. #2: You're really going to use an argument made now 3 years ago--I believe that was the offseason after Taylor's 1st year--to support your adhominem argument? Doesn't make much sense Understand? No, they might not carry the same bias as me, but that doesn't mean they don't carry bias. Of course throwaways are part of overall stats. Duh. But does PFF count them? Do they count batted/tipped passes? That image just shows passes that are underthrows and overthrows. So are throwaways in the overthrow category? Considering a throwaway is something often thought of as a positive thing, to include them in an accuracy breakdown is disingenuous. Of course. How many times have I said that already? How many times do you need me to say it? And do you understand that PFF has people, not robots charting all of these passes and that all people are subjective? I didn't expect my findings to sway a poster like you who has it out for me, but at the very least, I would have hoped it would have pushed you to look at at least a handful of games, chart your findings, come back with what you have so you can then shoot me down rather than just lazily accept PFF's findings. My problem isn't even with the numbers they came up with for Allen, it's the pretty clear disparity between his numbers and those of Mayfield and Jackson. Would your bias be in the way in the sense that you'd be looking to find any way to discredit my own findings? You aren't that petty, are you? As far as time, believe it or not, you can do it relatively quickly if you have 2 browsers open and gamepass. Just click on the game logs and look at the play by plays and find where all the passes are so you can go right to those passes rather than watching every play. Sacrifice a couple hours of reading and posting on here for charting your own numbers and you aren't sacrificing any time at all, actually. That's what I did. As far as track record for evaluations, I think I've done visual evaluations of plays on gamepass only one other time and that was the Taylor middle of the field thing a few years ago that you referenced, and again, much to your distaste of Taylor, there wasn't much wrong there, either.

Wow. Does it just suck being you?

I think Dorsey and Palmer are the frontrunners. Maybe Morhningweg who was named in another article. Anderson is definitely the interesting dark horse.

That's weird. Why are you bringing up Taylor? What does he have to do with this? That's nice. You can trust them if you want. I got no problem with that. But you're trusting them blindly. Well, we can disagree. And we do. I think these "experts" and pundits are often victims of their own analysis, and what did the analysis about Allen coming out of college overwhelmingly state? "Josh Allen has an area code accuracy problem and should sit on the bench for a year or two to learn the game." Now that Allen's rookie year is over and it was for a team like the Bills that just doesn't get a lot of national attention who finished with a worse record than last year and Allen's numbers in the passing game look mediocre to poor, it's pretty easy to gloss over that with an "I was right" and move onto the next guy. You can trust their system, but their system involves nine different categories. If you trust that someone from PFF has accurately divided up Allen's 320 throws into those 9 categories--and it's actually probably significantly less than the 320 total throws because I would assume they would discard throwaways or batted/tipped passes, but since there's nothing to explain that part, who knows?--and is left with an average of less than 40 throws for each category, which means that a single ill-defined pass moves the needle more than a couple percentage points one way or the other.... then... well... you go ahead and do it. I'm not even saying my numbers should be 100% trusted. I did the exercise, was aware of potential subjectivity and tried to absolutely throw it out the window, but also acknowledge that that would be completely understandable for someone not to trust me. But that's why I think you should try it yourself rather than blindly trust someone like PFF. You don't have to be. Try it yourself and draw your own conclusions if you're that skeptical of mine. If you distrust them that much, though, and just don't want to try the exercise, then what's the point of your arguing with me over something you refuse to do? Agreed.

Does he have a sweet thing goin? How much do you think he makes? Regardless, if Jordan Palmer has any desire to coach in the NFL, this would serve as his chance and if Allen developed quickly he could get OC offers relatively quickly... like a year later when Daboll leaves Buffalo.