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I've read it, but I also think viewing that as a final bill is foolish. I view it as an idealistic initiative more than anything else. Interesting that this shifted automatically to the Green New Deal as binding language rather than Global Warming, which is what I brought up. I view the Green New Deal as a kind of goal and acknowledgment of the necessity to shift priorities to the environment, which is what I was initially talking about and the conversation shifted. And maybe the reason the conversation shifted is because of the prevalence in the Green New Deal in the narrative today. I'd counter that the idealistic Green New Deal is more a counter to the extreme negligence and irresponsibility of the Industrialized world over the last century and, in the US, the Republican Party at large over the last few decades. The Green New Deal will never go in place exactly as it is. It just can't in the polarized society we live in. What it serves as (or should serve as) is a starting point for a serious conversation/negotiation/discussion.

So is he just assuming that this would be just added on to what we spend annually rather than helping to pay for it by cutting our spending from other things, like the proposed cut in half of our military spending?

Answering your questions is pointless because you're letting perfect be the enemy of the good.

Before I respond, link?

To me, this is just the position of a frightened hermit. Change isn't something that's ever fluid or easy. It naturally comes with hiccups. If you think I'm of the opinion that this would be easy, you're wrong. Just because it's not easy doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. It amazes me sometimes people's (Republicans particularly) perspectives on what they'll pay for. Get rid of Social Security because it costs to much--from the retired dude already getting Social Security. Don't tax me for public education! I don't have kids! --from the 40 year old who'll live to see that crop of young people become his/her law enforcement officers, legislatures, senators, Presidents... etc. Don't tax me for military spending! --oh wait, that seems to be the one thing Republicans are good with getting taxed on.... along with the VA. Highways/roads/bridges, law enforcement, fire departments, museums, prisons, salting and plowing our roads in winter, street lights, Amtrak, public parks, state and national monuments, Secret Service (and all those damn Golf outings and trips to Mara Largo by the President)... I mean, seriously? You think we have the perfect taxation system and it's at its saturation point right now? You think we have our taxes perfectly allocated to all those publicly funded things that you're paying for? Or you think you'd want to get rid of some or all of them? What better way to spend a little more money in taxes than on the planet we have to leave in place for our children and their children? Stop being such a cotton headed ninny muggins.

Why do you assume taxes on hard working middle class and lower America would have to be the ones forced to pay the bulk of this? Think long and hard about this one.

Nope. Won't happen. We're not one of the teams the league can force to participate in that show.

Thank you for posting this!!! Metcalf or Hockenson are the 2 guys I want the most, whether by trading down or staying at 9. This draft is so defense heavy we can get a really good defensive player in the 2nd or via trading back into the 1st round, which I think is a real possibility.

Lawmakers can make their cases, but the scientific evidence of Global Warming is overwhelming. It shouldn't even be something politicians need to bicker over in terms of whether it's happening or not because it simply is and there's scientific consensus that man is one of if not the primary catalyst. One can argue over degrees and what should be done... I get that. But the fact that a huge chunk of the Republican party has fought tooth and nail to deny it for decades is just sad. These are the people who care so much about wealth and how much they can pass onto their kids and grandkids but don't give a crap about the state of the environment they're passing down, and it's just one of the pieces of hypocrisy that sickens me about the Republican party. Another, of course, is the old adage that Republicans want to keep the Government out of our lives, except for when it comes to the bedroom. Go ahead, list the inevitable hypocrisy you're gearing up to list about Democrats now.

Surfing primarily with occasional swimming and diving. And I don't have AC at home. My wife and I have never had AC here in all the time we've been together. Life is better in boardshorts, anyway. 2 years ago I got AC installed in my classroom after our school got solar panels installed on the roof, but before that no AC in my classroom, either. And there are still a number of schools here still without it.

Ridiculous hyperbole (other than living in 87 degrees during the Summer. I live in that without AC a huge chunk of the year living in the tropics.) And I thought you guys were all about serious and thoughtful discussion over here in PPP.

Your misunderstandings of words like "patently" are lovely.

Your ad hominems are lovely.

It should be hard to figure because it is not reality. He needed a confluence of incredible events to win the last election and still lost the popular vote by a few million. We got another year and a half for this to play out, but one can only take comments like this as hyperbole at best, trolling at worst. "The group I'm in is the smart one, the others are dumb." Awesome. http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/ How Trolls Are Ruining the Internet

Yes, you do. As one who plans to spend much of my free time doing ocean activities for the rest of his life, I indeed am a "climate guy..." especially with some of what I get to see in changes to the ocean and her reefs first-hand.

I don't really know about this. I think you're mixing the Democratic party and liberal media together. We'll see, but I think Biden would pretty much be the serious frontrunner already if not for his extreme hesitance to get in the race, which I don't like and I think has hurt him as a candidate more than this stupid "me-too" spillover that's come out in the last couple weeks. Not necessarily, though I'd need kind of a case by case basis.

Real world math is that we're also the 2nd highest producer of carbon emissions in the world. We've reduced the most largely because of how much we need to reduce. You don't say that a 500 pound person who loses 100 pounds is all good just because he lost 100 pounds... he's still 400 lbs!!! Those environmental regulations you refer to are widely the same ones the Trump administration is trying to scrap or tweak so there can be easy loopholes, anyway. "They're not being good, so why should I be good?" Wonderful logic There honestly should be absolutely no reason for any Democrat (or Republican, for that matter) to bring in ANY facts or actual numbers regarding global warming. There is scientific consensus that Global Warming is real and that mankind is largely the cause of it. The fact that you actually believe that a political candidate needs to convince the general public that the US and mankind as a whole is negatively impacting our environment is one of the greatest (and most diabolical) political magic tricks the Republican party has pulled out of its hat over the last few decades.

Did you notice I like Buttiguieg more than Harris? Also that I said I think Biden probably has the best shot, who I also like? Pay attention. Good God man. He's all of those things, but I don't think that's why he's awful as a President. He's awful as a President because of policy and the inability to actually keep many of his grand campaign promises (some of which were also awful) because of his own ineptitude and (often) pettiness. Hell, the only thing the guy has actually "accomplished" thus far is his "massive tax cut" that most middle-class Americans are currently discovering didn't actually help them at all.... Thanks Republicans for my $2700 negative swing in my federal returns and advertising it as the biggest tax cut in history and a boon for the middle-class

Absolutely. Once again, I will vote for ANY of these candidates over Trump. He's just awful.

So I'm guessing you'd really hate it if a guy like Inslee became President? I really don't think he has a chance, so he's kind of an afterthought to me because I like to focus on who I think could win, but if something changed and Inslee could win, he has the right idea.

What is the extreme suffering you think will occur and is it worse than the consequences of what's happening now with a bunch of Climate Deniers in the White House?

What is "real world math" and is it something a political party can disregard the way "real world science" is today?

Reasonable. I think Beane would love to trade back for Hockenson and then use the 10+ picks he'd have at his disposal at that point to trade back into the 1st for DL.

Eh, I still think he gets into the race. He's still indicating pretty strongly he's going to. And once he gets in and this thing really gets rolling, this becomes more background noise than anything else, unless more serious/substantial accusations (ala Trump in 2016) come out. And yeah, I think he'd be awesome in the debates, but I think Harris and especially Buttiguieg would give him a real run for his money. Obama's continued popularity definitely gives Biden an advantage, too.

I agree with you about the Biden stuff. It's a really bad look and incredibly stupid... especially the way the liberal media is slamming him for his "inappropriate" jokes at that speaking event the day after the little twitter apology/video he released.