BullBuchanan

We did it and continue to do it through our collective silence and condoning of police violence. Unlike those other folks you've mentioned, getting rid of Antifa is the simplest thing in the world - end the culture of police violence and the system that allows them to commit it with impunity. Do that, and they'll vanish in the wind, just as they came. Given the recent ruling on Breonna Taylor, it seems no one really wants Antifa gone that badly.

Of course not. I hope I haven't discounted it at all. Look I'm generally a massive fan of unions. They have their problems, as you've mentioned, but without them we wouldn't have a whole host of labor protections and advancements for workers. I think every private sector employee should have access to a union and we should fix the problems they currently have. My grandfather and uncle were able to make good money and raise families through periods of economic uncertainty thanks to their union, and their pension has provided them with a retirement few non-union employees are likely to have the good fortune of receiving. However, I believe the role of the union is to protect the employee form the employer and act as their representative. In the case of the police, their employer is the people. There should be no middleman lobbying on behalf of an employee of the people to our elected officials. It's a direct conflict of interest. There needs to be far more public oversight into the actions of the police, not less. That said, while the police union is a massive problem, it would be less of a problem if there were less bad police, and there would be less bad police if the bad ones were only recruited instead of being trained by people like Dave Grossman.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2020/06/11/martin-gugino-75-year-old-pushed-buffalo-police-has-brain-injury/5345876002/

It's a good thing they weren't cops or they may have given her brain damage.

I hear what you're saying and I understand where you're coming from. Just because someone who commits crimes works a specific job or is of a certain religion or race or sex does not mean that everyone who does that job or is of that race/religion/sex etc are also criminals. I completely believe in that. However, police officers are not independent contractors. They only exist within forces. Those forces all have unions and their politics and procedures are shockingly similar from one city or state to the next. The point I've working on in this thread and others is that the recruiting tactics, training materials, behavior of officers, responses from unions, lack of repercussions for offenses, proclivity for violence, and leniency of the court systems seems to propagate across every department in the country. Much in the way the Catholic sexual assault ring did. Police Officers may be individual people with their own stories, but "The Police" is a monolith. I won't deny that you can be a good person who has lived a life of virtue and kindness who happens to join an organization where these things take place. But can you continue to be a good person, while choosing to join one of these organization where these things take place and you knowingly ignore or participate in them yourself? I make a very strong accusation that to back the play of monsters is to be a monster yourself. If someone wants to make an argument for why that isn't the case, I'll listen to it, but I haven't heard one.

More of the "vast majority of great cops"

Of course not, it's about power and control. At no point did I make a claim that police exclusively exist to be a racist organization. They exclusive exists to be a violent terrorist organization, that happens to be racist an awful lot. Thanks for proving my point about the violence though. Got any more stories? lol, nice Qanon story. Here's the real ANTIFA

Oh I'm fully aware violence doesn't equal death, and you've refused to grasp that concept. What you fail to understand is that contradiction of your own statements. Since ANTIFA "SOLE purpose" is not to commit violence, they shouldn't be on your list, but they are. Meanwhile the FAR more violent police force that brutalizes and kills americans EVERY SINGLE DAY are "mostly great at what they do" and "good people" You probably thought these were "some very fine people" as well. And for the record, the reason I started this thread was to point out the absurdity that while this board has labeled ANTIFA a terrorist organization, there has been a hundreds year old terrorist organization subsisting off of taxpayer funds as part of our government guilty of far worse crimes including, but not limited to, tens of thousands of deaths.

Yet you have absolutely no problem, and in fact encourage, labeling ANTIFA, a decentralized movement whose entire existence is based on defending people from government sponsored violence, who are responsible for 0 deaths as a terrorist organization. Meanwhile, your police force, over the same period of the last 25 years, whose sole objective is to deprive citizens of their life, health, money and/or freedom, has been responsible for ~25000 deaths.

So if any of their members don't commit violence they cease to be a terrorist organization? Exactly

Ok, so attacking infants with grenades isn't terrorism. What is?

Because you've been on this huge rant saying I'm applying the term unjustly. I want you to tell what makes someone a terrorist.

No, but believing that it isn't terrorism when police put flashbangs in the cribs of infants is though. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-georgia-deputy-acquitted-after-flash-bang-grenade-hurts-toddler-n479361

Yes, you're amoral. You've consistently defended the use of lethal force on citizens. Do you believe that terrorism exists at all?

No, it fits right in line with the amoral personality you and your political allies have displayed including, a complete unwillingness to observe evidence, and a complete and total bias in favor of authority regardless of how many innocent people are killed, maimed, and traumatized.

Video released showing Utah police shooting at boy with autism nearly a dozen times Salt Lake City 13-year-old remains in hospital after mother called 911, requesting mental health worker Associated Press Mon 21 Sep 2020 21.59 EDTLast modified on Mon 21 Sep 2020 22.58 EDT Mike Brown, the Salt Lake City police chief, listens as Mayor Erin Mendenhall speaks during a news conference on Monday following the shooting. Photograph: Rick Bowmer/AP A 13-year-old Utah boy with autism was shot by police after his mother asked for help getting him hospital mental health treatment and officers agreed to talk with him, police footage released Monday showed.

Yea, because protesting murder requires more people to get assaulted by pigs. It's pretty clear here that all of the fascist enablers here failed basic order of operations. And this right here is why I'll never feel bad about anything that happens to a cop.

The cops don't say anything until after they've tased him, kicked him, and put him in a headlock. Not sure what video you're watching. Must be from "He's got a gun!" police training.

More of Chef & 3rdnlngs friends who make up the "vast majority of good cops" from the Sacramento branch of organized terrorist police.

More personal attacks from the intellectually vacant with no supporting evidence. Where is your proof that he was told to get down here before being tased, kicked, and grappled? He was an innocent man who committed the crime of walking while black "Sacramento County Sheriff’s Office said the incident was a case of mistaken identity. According to investigators, the man matched the description of a suspect with a felony arrest warrant. Deputies and officers from the Sacramento Police Department assigned to the Post Release Community Supervision team were conducting surveillance on a suspect. According to spokesperson Sgt. Tess Deterding, the team observed the suspect’s grandmother leave an establishment. The man who was arrested by the police left the same location after the suspect’s grandmother. “This male matched the physical description of the suspect and the team doing surveillance reasonably believed this individual was the suspect,” said Deterding." Physical description: "Black male, 20 - 50 years of age"

Oh I took it to mean that Wilson/Rodgers/Jackson belong in the tier of Brady and Manning.

The seahawks are still in the NFC, right? Or are you saying Rodgers & Wilson didn't have to compete against them?

For me it comes down to consistency of elite play. Brady won the division 17 out of the last 20 years. Manning essentially had two hall of fame careers throwing for more yards for the Broncos than Doug Williams did in his whole career and more TDs in that span than Matt Shaub, Michael Vick, Jim Harbaugh, Marc Bulger or Bernie Kosar did over their careers. On any given day or any given season Rodgers & Wilson can look like the best there's ever been, but they've had stretches where their teams struggled mightily as well. They're both still cream of the crop first ballot hall of famers and somewhere in the ranking of GOAT, but they aren't at that level for me. Jackson & Mahomes are still just babies. It certainly looks like we'll be talking about them the same way, but the stories of Andrew Luck, Michael Vick, Marc Bulger and others should be a reminder that an injury or two can completely derail a career.

Sacramento branch of organized terrorist police group kicks man in the back while he is fully complying with police commands This definitely isn't systemic though, right? https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2020/08/31/sacramento-county-deputy-kicking-man/