Logic

Bills fans seriously need to get thicker skin. It's embarrassing. No one said he's a bust. No one denied that he was already known to be raw. It's a simple article. It states that Allen hasn't played particularly well so far and lists some areas in which he can improve. Toughen. The. !@#$. Up.

Just wanted to pop in and say this is a reasonable, objective, fair analysis on Marino's part. He even acknowledged on Twitter that he was going to get ripped apart by sensitive Bills fans. He clearly states that he's not saying Allen won't improve, he's not calling him a bust, he's simply pointing out where he's currently lacking and what he needs to improve upon. If Bills fans STILL get upset over such a reasonable and fair analysis or find reasons to pick it apart or claim Allen is being persecuted, they really, REALLY need to get thicker skin.

You mean there are actually people out there who felt that what was here when Beane/McDermott arrived was a sustainable team model built for long term success? Yikes.

I did not read through the 18 pages of what I'm sure were RIVETING and well-composed responses, but I just wanted to say this: It was clarified later on that McDermott was referring to the strategy of player acquisition and releases, not gameday Xs and Os strategy. So...yeah. Chill.

Johnson started 16 games for SF in 2017 and was on his way to starting at OCB for the Seahawks this year before an injury derailed his chances. He has good size and athleticism, is young, and has a chance to start opposite Tre'davious White if the staff feels like Lewis isn't getting the job done. I like the signing. (I also DISlike most of the whiny, predictable "But why aren't we magically summoning any WRs out of thin air instead?! Wahhhh!!!!" replies to this thread)

It's funny. When McDermott/Beane came in, Bills fans universally agreed that a full rebuild was needed and welcomed. Whaley/Brandon/Rex had left behind a toxic dumpster fire from top to bottom, a salary cap mess, and an awful team culture. EVERYTHING needed to be flushed. The Bills needed to start from scratch and build from the ground up. No one disputed this. The fans -- supposedly ready for said rebuild to begin -- all said "we trust the process!". They all agreed that any rookie QB should get at least a couple years to prove himself. Most were fine with said rookie QB not even PLAYING this year. Everyone knew, also, that the team was taking their "salary cap medicine" this year, and likely wouldn't be competitive because of it. So the season starts, our raw rookie QB looks like a raw rookie QB, and at the FIRST SIGN OF ADVERSITY in the second year of a complete rebuild, fans are jumping ship and calling for the coach to be fired. I suppose the team making the playoffs in year 1 of McDermott's tenure accelerated the timeline in the minds of many fans. It shouldn't have. Anyone with a reasonable amount of sense could look at this roster and this astronomical amount of dead money and conclude that 2018 was all about building and growing. For the past 18 years, the Bills franchise put on band-aid after band-aid, refusing to ever tear it all down and go through a proper rebuild. Most fans screamed from the top of their lungs that a full rebuild was needed. Finally...FINALLY...the rebuild begins, and what happens? "Waaahhhh!!! FIRE McDERMOTT! FIRE BEANE! WAHHHHHH" Bills fans are the worst sometimes. Oh, and one more important thing to remember: Beane/McDermott are NOT responsible for anything that happened prior to last year. So for anyone saying "we've been rebuilding for 18 years!" or talking about how they've lost patience: Too bad for you. You obviously don't get it. These guys can only control what's happening NOW, and they're trying to build a TEAM (not just a collection of talent, Whaley-style), and build it the right way. If you can't be patient enough to stick with it, then again...that's too bad for you.

People will reply with memes and jokes and dismiss this, which makes sense... But yeah, I think the Bills have found themselves a legit punter. The fact that he's a lefty and that we stole him from the Pats* makes it even sweeter.

I knew from the moment the Pats signed him that he was a bad fit. Absolutely NOTHING about Corey Coleman says "Patriot Way". I would imagine this will be the last the football world ever heard from him.

With all due respect to your well-reasoned response, I disagree. It IS important that Daboll comes up with a good gameplan and gets Allen as prepared as possible. At the end of the day, though, It's on Allen to recognize what he's seeing in real time, adjust his protections and hot routes if needed, and then adjust again on the fly while the play is happening. No matter how well prepared Daboll has him, I expect Pettine to draw up some looks that absolutely confound Allen. In these instances, it's okay for him to take sacks or throw the ball away and live to fight another down. The only thing Allen absolutely, positively CANNOT do on Sunday if he wants to give the Bills a chance to win, is throw careless picks of the sort he threw against San Diego. In my opinion, this game will tell us a lot about the progress of Josh Allen.

Bills fans will enjoy their lives a lot more in the coming years if they learn to not care so much about what national pundits say. Let Allen's play do the talking. If he is as good as we all think he can be, the pundits will shut their mouths. If he's not, they'll all cackle and claim victory and we'll be talking draft again by 2020. Until one of those two things happen, it's all just opinions, clickbait, and hyperbole. Quit caring so much. Quit going off on Twitter on any analyst that dares voice a less-than-glowing opinion of Allen. Enough already.

Packers 20 Bills 13 Allen crashes back down to earth against a well drawn up and well disguised Pettine defense. Bills run the ball well all day but can't punch it into the end zone enough. Buffalo falls to 1-3, but win the next two games (TEN and HOU) to get to 3-3.

From Andy Benoit, via MMQB.com: BILLS AT PACKERS This is a tough road mission for Bills rookie quarterback Josh Allen. His receivers don’t match up well to Green Bay’s zealous man coverage, and many of those man coverages have hybrid elements that put zone defenders inside. When Allen’s reads are perfectly clear, he displays his awesome arm talent and even a little of the nuanced body language to manipulate zone defenders. But when the reads aren’t clear, Allen looks like a deer in headlights. With Green Bay’s scheme, a QB’s reads are often unclear. I have to agree with Mr Benoit here. I think this is going to be a "crashing back down to earth" week for Allen. He will struggle against Pettine's highly varied and cleverly disguised defense. I expect the Bills to lose this one, drop to 1-3, then win the next to games against TEN and HOU to reach 3-3.

Yep, Johnson's been balling. Quietly, the Bills have rebuilt their defense. It's not finished yet, but a core of Edmunds, Milano, Philips, White, Hyde, Poyer, and Johnson (with Murphy and Star as nice veteran additions through free agency) is very promising. I do agree that we're a CB away from a top 5 secondary, but best in the league? Peters, Talib, Joyner, Johnson for the Rams or Ramsey, Bouye, Gipson, Church from the Jags might have something to say about that.

This. I can't imagine anyone would sign either guy off our practice squad at this point.

Good one man. I'll bet Hyde, Poyer, Lewis, Lacey, Stanford, Trent Murphy, Yarbrough, Orchard, Ducasse, Marcus Murphy, Ivory, Holmes, Hauschka, and Bojorquez would think that's pretty funny!

Its funny. There was an entire generation of QBs drafted during the Brady/Manning/Roethlisberger/Brees heyday, but the changing (or advancing) of the guard did not happen then. It only seems to be happening now. Part of it is that that Brady/Manning generation is finally fading out, yes, but a bigger part of it seems to be that the NFL finally figured out how to use rookie QBs. For years we kept hearing how college football was no longer adequately preparing quarterbacks for the NFL. As such, QB after QB was drafted and flamed out quickly. Now, all of a sudden, the NFL has figured out "wait a minute, we can just incorporate college concepts that these guys already know how to execute!!!". Lo and behold, we're seeing more and more success from young QBs. That being said, the prospect of an AFC dominated b Mahomes, Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, Mariota, Luck, etc....is pretty cool. The times, they are a changin!

I'm just curious what it is about having two females in the announcing booth that you consider a "social experiment". I'm also curious to know how it makes the product "$hittier". Ya know what? Nevermind. I think I already know exactly what you're all about.

There are some pretty awful jerseys in the NFL. Like...what's up with the digital numbers on the Bucs' jerseys? Do those make ANY sense? And yeah, the Packers throwbacks are pretty hideous. Meanwhile, the Bills continue to have top 5 regular AND throwback jerseys.

Geoff Schwartz was unimpressed by the play, stating that all Allen did was hit a wide open guy on a well designed play. Firstly, its quite obvious Allen did more than that. He sold the fake to the running back really well with a good pump fake and with his eye movement. He then delivered a catchable ball, placing it where it needed to be with soft touch. But more importantly, that's the whole thing with Allen: Nobody questions whether or not he can make sensational, out-of-structure, improvisational plays. What people doubted was his ability to make routine throws, to take what the defense gives him, and to complete short passes accurately. So when he does simple things like complete swing passes and bubble screens, make routine throws, and change protections...THATS HUGE! If he can properly run an offense and make the routine throws, and then you combine that with his escapability, improvisational skill, and arm strength, you have a potentially great quarterback.

I was at this game! The best game I've ever seen live. I was ridiculously, gleefully, inappropriately giddy after the win. I stayed in the stadium as long as humanly possible, shouting and yelling and talking **** to Patriots fans as they left. They all just shook their head and many laughed at me. They were right to do so. I was being pretty over the top. At the time, though, the Bills were undefeated, flying high, and had just claimed first place in the AFC East from the Pats. I thought the team had "turned the corner" and was headed for greatness. I even went down to field level and asked an usher for a piece of the grass from the field. He looked around to make sure no one was watching (removing part of the field is against the rules, apparently), and grabbed a chunk of grass and gave it to me. I still have it. What a great day that was!

They got their Mike.

I think you're wrong here. I think it was a HUGE win. Why? It singlehandedly flipped the narrative of "another lost season for the Bills" (and make no mistake, 0-3 would've meant the season was effectively over) to "there's hope yet!". It filled the "hope" tank of many, many fans, both in terms of the defense's success and the offensive playcalling and execution. It was only Josh Allen's SECOND START in the NFL, and he beat an excellent opponent ON THE ROAD, handily. He showed command of the offense, made smart decisions, and gained the trust and respect of the entire team. It switched the Bills from national laughingstock -- so bad that Vontae Davis quit at halftime to avoid playing for them! -- to "scrappy underdogs on the rise" and stopped the laughing cold in its tracks. It was a huge win.

"We"? Speak for yourselves. Anyone who was "calling for Beane and McDermott's head" after the first two games of what is widely acknowledged as a rebuilding, take-your-cap-medicine season with a rookie QB at the helm is probably a reactionary dingbat. Anyone with even a lick of common sense would not want to see a GM fired in his FIRST FULL OFFSEASON with the team, for pete's sake! Ditto the head coach who led the team to the playoffs just one year prior. "We". Pffffff.