oldmanfan

Wake me up when someone can define # 2 WR.

If you hire a guy that does not win, it costs you seasons. McD gets you to the playoffs every year. He wins. That gives you a shot. But as I said if he starts to slide backward or starts losing the locker room you make a change. I would also add managing the staff. It was a smart move in my opinion to jettison Frazier and take over the D. The D D s playing much better again IMHO. He may need to look at OC if the struggles continue. But since Josh wanted Dorsey from all accounts that would be an interesting call.

As a guy that has been a fan since opening day 1960 I have the AFL championships. But I feel as you do. It takes talent, and some luck to break your way at the right time.

You keep a HC that get you in the playoffs and give you a legitimate shot. If he starts losing or starts losing the locker room you make a change. That’s my philosophy. Obviously not yours.

No you haven’t. Most of your examples the guys did not win Lombardis. If I’m reading you right you’re saying McAfoo replacing Coughlin is proof of your thesis because he got Eli to 11-5 after a few losing seasons. If that’s your proof it’s laughable.

And as far as HC go it’s magnified. You mention Johnson. He’ll be the hot commodity this coming off season. But does he have what it takes to be a HC? Only one way to find out and if you’re wrong you cost your team years.

Things have to go pretty perfect for any team to win a championship

When we win Sunday they’ll be folks unhappy we’re 5-2. There would be people unhappy if we finished 18-2.

The guy who predicted we’d lose to the Raiders.

And he’d kick your ass.

So you would fire a guy if it meant the new guy would get you one step closer but still lose. Well, that makes sense... The problem you have is you’re not Nostradamus. The stats on former HCs of Super Bowl teams taking another team to the dance are pretty poor if memory serves correct. And picking a coordinator hoping they become a great HC aren’t great either.

But I never said worse. You did. What I said is people always think the grass is greener but it rarely is. So let’s say you replace a guy like McD with brand X. You are doing so to make the next jump, and for the Bills it would be a Lombardi. As you showed in the list of folks you mentioned many did not get their teams to make the next jump. I find it interesting you use Marty S as an example since so many folks accuse McD of being another Marty I.e. can’t win the big one. Be careful what you ask for, you might not get it. You disagree that’s fine.

In general. You are placing a specific set of circumstances on changing coaches. I’m not. And you cited a couple of examples to prove your point but also acknowledged they didn’t win championships.

The two hardest things in sports to me are finding a real QB and, regardless of the sport, finding a great HC. It is far more common for coaching switches not to work.

We should be 5-1. We didn’t have it in London, that was a legit loss. But Josh losing his mind in the second half against the Jets caused that, and luckily should be an isolated event.

Your described situation is like Gruden and Dungy in Tampa Bay. It can happen. I would argue the idea that firing a guy and assuming the replacement will be better, only to find out he isn’t, is more common.

And when one does, and then hire a former SB winner, they are seeing right now how that works out.

We had it in the 13 second year. We should have tackled all their receivers at the line if needed.

True. But he helped get them there. Great OC. But will he be a great HC. The NFL is littered with good coordinators that didn’t turn out to be good head coaches.

You seem to be focused on the negative. That Josh will fall off. That we won’t replace guys. But look at things objectively. We have guys like Bernard on D; everyone thought he was a bust but look at him. Williams looks like another. Once Kincaid gets going another. Torrence. Cook. Bates will step in for Morse. And so on. Wasting? Come on. They are consistently in the playoffs. The 13 second stupidity was just that. Last year they ran out of gas due to injury and a teammate almost dying.

I’m saying he’s an excellent passer now and will only improve as he gains more experience reading defenses and such. So his window to win a Lombardi is pretty long in contrast to your view.

I think Payton was a little bit better than Josh, don’t you think? Anyway my comment is more directed at Sean Payton.

Wouldn’t have anything to do with a guy named Manning? And ask them how they like Payton, who as I recall many here wanted to fire McD for.

Unfortunately I do as well because I think it will be hard to overcome the loss of Tre, Matt, and DaQuan.

People always think the grass is greener, but many more times than not the grass actually becomes a dark brown color. Ask Broncos fans.