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I'm a sucker for craps - you can play quite conservatively and slow if you want, and its the best odds you'll get from the house. Plus, you'll get great drink service. The casino "scene" can be quite fun, depending where you're at. If you want to see gorgeous women and enjoy top shelf F&B, go to the Cosmopolitan. If you want beer pong and cover bands, you should go to the Linq. Vegas is a quick flight...I look forward to getting back there when this pandemic is over!

Steamboat is great for all activities, including fishing! Yampa and Elk Rivers if you want to wade/float for trout, Mt Zirkel and Flat Tops Wilderness if you want to walk for trout. I'd move there tomorrow if I could! Technically...the outlet mall and interstate runs through Silverthorne, not Dillon (I still screw them up). If you get a few miles north of town, THAT'S where you can scratch the "A River Runs Through It" itch.

Hey, we have ugly places too. Go fish next to the interstate and outlet mall in Dillon...it's gold medal waters, but not exactly tranquil. There is great variety across the West...there are the Wilderness waters for native trout, the famous rivers loaded with fat browns, countless small streams teeming with brookies and plenty of reservoirs with walleye and salmon. Fly fishing can have a high PITA factor, especially if there's wind. Practice is not optional.

That's great in theory, but it rarely works out that way.

I've really been drawn to fly fishing the past few years, especially at the high lakes across CO. Yes, we have some world class trout rivers (Frying Pan, Arkansas, etc), but I'm drawn to the more remote areas. A fly rod kit is very light and a great reason to hike/backpack to remote waters. The trout aren't huge (18" cutthroat is good size), but I love the slow pace and being away from everything.

I thought it was a bad call too, but its a INT. My point is that we're going down the asterisk path, then those conditions need to be applied across the entire database.

Well, we'd need to do so for all the other QBs too... Either way, Josh is playing like a top dog in 2020. Some guys are low for my taste, others are high, but this is a very good problem to have.

Too little, too late. This is a move you need to make in January.

With COVID shortening the offseason, acquiring an experienced playmaker made alot of sense. I think if we really wanted Jeudy or Lamb, we could have gone up and got them. They've looked the part so far, but there was so much more certainty around Diggs. Diggs wanted to be the undisputed #1 , and the Bills gave him the chance to do so. He's proven them right so far.

The narrative is changing, but all things take time. Barring something unforeseen, I think he can universally be seen as a top 5 QB by the end of the year. Right now, he's probably in the 10-14 range. To make the leap, Josh needs to go whale hunting. It's time to beat New England twice and win the division. It's time to show you can hang with Mahomes, Russ and Roethlisberger. It's time to win a playoff game (or three!). When you join the elite QB round table, to lose a seat, you need to fall flat on your face, or get kicked out of the club. Right now, I think Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Lamar and Watson have the seats, but Josh is well positioned to steal one for himself (probably Watsons)

' Fair critique - he doesn't throw it often, but when he does, he's extremely productive. He gets some really good looks off play action - f the LB crashes the pocket, he'll hit the seam route. If they drop into coverage, he'll quickly pick up some yardage with feet. They've beat some great teams with their model, but the next bridge is playoff success. It comes with MVP territory.

Hey, we already have a "bash Lamar Jackson" thread The article mentioned Lamar by name once. It's not about who is better, it's that each took a ridiculous leap from from "meh" to "elite" in one offseason.

The bad sack aside, he was excellent today. Great vision, quick delivery, and tremendous accuracy on some deep bombs. Love it - we're on to Tennessee!

This is where I lose you Shaw. He was clearly a raw passer in 2018 and leaned on his legs. 2019? He took a massive leap as a passer. He threw 24 TDs from the pocket. Did you see the videos, or the nextGen stats of his passing numbers, that were previously posted? I forget who originally posted this upthread, but the numbers don't support someone who made "very little progress" throwing the ball. Even the poor deep ball narrative isn't THAT bad. 2020? He's still improving, just at a more modest pace. He'll continue to improve, barring a catastrophic injury. I know football is a complex game, but to me, we're making this so much more complicated than it needs to be. You can't throw 36 TDs and 6 picks in 15 games unless you're a very talented passer. On the 'Josh v Lamar' stuff, I don't really care. It's a Bills forum, OF COURSE we're going to think our guy is better. Outside our bubble, the narrative is strongly Lamar > Allen, but that could change in the coming years. Fingers crossed. EDIT - Damn, he RAN for a 50 yard TD. He should have thrown it!

I think they'll beat the snot out of them - we'll see. It shows how high the expectations are with Lamar if we'd consider 2 poor games "concerning", but when you're the MVP, it does come with the territory. If Allen v. Mahomes is this decades version of Brady vs Manning, that would be special. At the least, Josh has to be universally better than Lamar and Watson (really suffering without Hopkins) for that rivalry to occur. We're not there yet.

I don't either, but here's some quick findings: Lawrence: The junior signal-caller is a creative playmaker when the play breaks down and he is very dangerous on designed quarterback runs. He will lower his shoulder to take on defenders, but his speed is his greatest asset as a runner. https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-trevor-lawrence-qb-similar-to-deshaun-watson Tua : Improvisational pocket escapes, fits the mold of NFL's new dual-threat quarterbacks, He needs better poise when pressured, but his escapability not only moves the chains, it creates chunk plays in the air and on the ground.https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tuanigamanuolepola-tagovailoa/32195441-4762-0344-3a46-269f5e5e854e Burrow: Above-average toughness in pocket and as runner, Unexpected wiggle to elude when scrambling, Makes explosive, off-schedule plays while on the move, Can deliver back-breaking runs to move the chains https://www.nfl.com/prospects/joseph-burrow/32194255-5267-9731-81c8-48673dcec5e2 Herbert: Big, talented full-field scanner able to find the right read and sling it around the yard from the pocket or on the move, has zone-read ability and can roll downhill once he's flushed from the pocket https://www.nfl.com/prospects/justin-herbert/32194845-5203-1169-a699-ce41d700202a

Traditional pocket QBs are going the way of the dinosaurs. Mobility and improvisation are required traits in 2020. Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, Watson, Dak, Kyler, all superstars (or on their way), and all can beat you with their legs. The Ravens are 14 point favorites today, I'm looking forward to the ready made excuses if Lamar torches them.

The Ravens have been doing alot of losing since he became the QB1. Now that's he elite, he needs some playoff success. It comes with the territory.

That's fair - playoff dominance is the next bridge he has to cross.

Limited passer...we're starting to go in circles in this thread, but there are plenty of videos and statistics on these 20 pages that showcase his ability to play in the pocket, scan the field, and throw some lasers and touch passes across the field. He had THREE games last year with 5 passing TDs and 0 picks (plus some rushing yards). Limited passers can't do that, period.

Pure hypothetical of course, but I think he'd be an excellent QB here, as would Josh in Baltimore. Fair to assume they wouldn't be as productive as they are in current situations, but they'd still be really good. All players need the right scheme to flourish, but elite talent transcends any scheme. For example, any team with a dual threat QB can run a shotgun read option, but nobody is as deadly running it as Lamar. You can floor the line on defense, but he can break contain in his sleep. 176 for 1200 yards in insane, and I doubt we'll see that again. Going over 1000 again would be unprecedented. As he grows as a passer, I'd estimate he settles in to 500-900 yards a year

It's a funny label - every smart team will try and put their QB into a successful system, or build the system around them. I see it more applicable to someone like Case Keenum or Ryan Fitzpatrick, going from "fair" to "good" in favorable situations, but I find it bonkers to suggest you can scheme your way to the elite conversation, as well as an unanimous MVP. No elite player exists in a vacuum. They are assisted by playmakers, coaches and yes, a favorable scheme. Lamar certainly capitalized on his circumstance, but he is not "propped up"

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/07/09/system-quarterbacks-list-tom-brady-peyton-manning-joe-montana-brett-favre-mike-vick/

I was waiting for this one - I'm surprised it took this long.