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Are the Refs practicing calling illegal formation penalties tonight?

Agee with everyone saying these flags are making this game almost unwatchable. Every preseason game I've watched this year there have been TONS of flags. It's not just the Bills games.

This o line is getting flagged like crazy tonight.

Good hold by the D, but what the flag??? Yay, not against us!

Come on Defense! Let hold em. Another good play by Poyer!

It was obviously more than just a coaching issue, but let's not pretend Rex wasn't an undisciplined coach.

Uggg! Every. Time. They can't make a good play without shooting themselves in the foot. Freaking o line.

Friggin MILLS! Damn it

I've felt the same way watching preseason. I just hope it doesn't carry over into regular season. Sometimes I feel like the refs think people came out to watch them or something. The flags are getting worse and worse every year, to the point where I don't even bother getting excited over a big play right away. You have to wait and see if there was a flag and it's coming back. They are starting to make the NFL less and less watchable (alrhougnobviously I'll continue to watch...)

Yup, and if it hasn't happened overnight it never will... Cause we all know problems that have plagued this team for years should be immediately solved by the new coaching staff. Otherwise they suck and should be fired.

Man this offensive line is not playing well. Incognito let that guy just blow right by him. I'm not sure if it was him or Wood that blew their assignment there, but nobody picked up that rusher. Incognito did for a fraction of a second and then just let him go right by...

Great pass by Peterman. Damn it Dawkins!

Yes you did. I've been impressed by both of them thus far. They are making plays all over the field.

Poyer and Hyde both looking good so far.

I thought Peterson looked impressive for his 1st ever drive with and against starters.

Come on Clay, you gotta get that 1st down!

Our run game isn't looking too great so far.

Wow, what a nice few throws by Peterman. Especially that first one! He's looking pretty good.

This was my first thought as well. He can't be worse than Ducasse...

I'll be very interested to see if anything comes out about the team rule he broke. I'm guessing that there's good reason behind it. Maybe it wasn't a serious violation, it could be that he just felt Dareus needed to have a message sent to him. I like that McDermott is trying to instill some discipline in this team though. He doesn't seem like a total hard ass dick head who's just going to scream and yell at the players for no real reason either. Or a control freak (Marrone type) who's going to set rules that really make no sense (like what color/type of socks to wear). From what I can tell he seems understanding and caring, while at the same time not willing to tolerate nonsense. He seems to be waking that fine line between players coach and disciplinarian pretty well, from what I've seen/heard anyway.

Kind of, but not really. They gave the panthers a 2nd (pick #64) and got a 3rd (pick #72) and Ealy. So really, they just traded back 8 spots in the draft for Ealy.

Looks like the rumor may have come from this article - https://sportstalk360.com/buffalo-bills-and-green-bay-in-trade-talks-for-star/ No way I make that trade if I'm Buffalo. Killing our offense this season is just not worth it for Adams and a 4th. I'd want a 1st round pick, which I know isn't going to happen. I guess if the plan is to tank 2017, then maybe I'd take Adams and a 2nd. But I just have no desire to trade McCoy and try to suck this year. McCoy is wayyy too much fun to watch run, and we don't even know which QBs are going to enter the draft (the rumors are 2 of the top guys may stay in school). Keep McCoy and try to win as many games as possible.

I just don't see tanking as necessary in football, like it is in Hockey. In this day and age in the NHL, you almost need a top 3 pick to get that truly elite franchise changing center/player. Guys like McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Kane, Toews, Doughty don't fall in the draft. They go top 3. If you look at the teams that have won Cups recently, basically every single one of them has had at least 1 top 3 pick. Where as football just seems different to me. Yes, you need a top 3 pick to get those truly elite QBs (like Luck, Eli/Payton Manning etc) when there is even 1 in the draft to get. But so many good franchise QBs have been fond outside the top 5 (and even the top 10) as well. Some of the best QBs in the NFL were found outside the top 5-10. There is also plenty of game changing talent (outside the QB position) all through the first 2 (and even 3) rounds of the draft, and there have been quite a few SB winning teams built without a top 3 pick. Just looking at the list of teams who have won the Super Bowl recently - only a couple of them had top picked QBs. Just going back 10 years, 3 of those 10 winners had top picked QBs, and 1 of those 3 was an old, decrepit Peyton Manning playing as a shell of himself. The other 7 had QBs that were picked outside of the top 5 (and really, the top 10). And actually, if you go back further than 10 years there are a lot more SB winning QBs taken outside the top of the draft - just going back to 2000, 13 of the 17 SB winning QBs were not top 5 draft picks (if I counted correctly...) http://www.topendspo...inners-list.htm IMO, all you really need to rebuild in the NFL is good drafting and some extra draft picks and a coaching staff that gives you the ability to develop those drafted players. I'm very hopeful that Beanehas assembled the scouting and personnel staff to draft well, an that McDermott and his staff will be able to develop these players (McD did a pretty good job of it in Carolina IMO). Obviously you need to hit on a QB eventually too. But I'm more of the opinion that you need to just keep taking shots in the draft to get one. Even the top QB picks are not always sure things. The changes to college football have made it harder and harder to project what these QBs will be in the NFL. I'm not all about trading away the entire 2018 draft for a QB either. Trade ups to the top of the draft rarely ever work out for the team trading up. The Bills are lacking starters and depth at too many positions to be trading away so many draft assets anyway. The 2018 draft is supposed to be strong at many positions. It's looking like it might be a great year to hold so many extra picks. Take a shot on a QB at our draft spot, or trade away minimal assets to move up a bit. If that QB don't work, take another shot at a QB again...

Did all those teams truly tank a season? What I consider tanking is what Cleveland did, and what the Jets are doing this season. They were clearly not trying to compete before the season even started (IMO anyway). Can you say the same about all the teams you listed? Were they truly not trying to compete, or did they just have a bad year? I honestly don't know the answer to this without doing some research on it. To me, it seems like there have been plenty of very good, successful teams built without "tanking", and plenty of good QBs found outside the top 2-3 picks. I just don't see tanking as necessary in football, like it is in Hockey. In this day and age in the NHL, you almost need a top 3 pick to get that truly elite franchise changing center/player. Guys like McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Kane, Toews, Doughty don't fall in the draft. They go top 3. If you look at the teams that have won Cups recently, basically every single one of them has had at least 1 top 3 pick. Where as football just seems different to me. Yes, you need a top 3 pick to get those truly elite QBs when there is even 1 in the draft to get. But so many good franchise QBs have been fond outside the top 5 as well. Some of the best QBs in the NFL were found outside the top 5. There is also plenty of game changing talent all through the first 2 (and even 3) rounds of the draft, and there have been quite a few SB winning teams built without a top 3 pick. Just look at the list of teams who have won the Super Bowl recently - only a couple of them had top picked QBs. Just going back 10 years, 3 of those 10 winners had top picked QBs, and 1 of those 3 was an old, decrepit Peyton Manning playing as a shell of himself. The other 7 had QBs that were picked outside of the top 5 (and really, the top 9/10). And actually, if you go back further than 10 years there are a lot more SB winning QBs taken outside the top of the draft - just going back to 2000, 13 of the 17 SB winning QBs were not top 5 draft picks (if I counted correctly...) http://www.topendsports.com/events/super-bowl/winners-list.htm

This was a big reason why I always rooted for him. I was really happy for him when SF gave him the contract they did.