SouthNYfan

It turned out great for melo forcing his way to the Knicks, didn't it? ?????

Who's winning??

This is exactly what I keep telling my Giants friends. Granted they aren't advocating for trading Barkley, let alone BOTH #1s and next year's #1. Madden would literally freeze the game and tell you that you aren't allowed to even suggest trades anymore after bringing that up ?? There is just so much that points to the Giants not doing this. Eli's contact Trading away the best wr Drafting Barkley last year over other QBs Now, I could see Wilson coming to them as a FA after the season, since then Eli is gone, and you'd probably only have to give up a single pick dictated by the NFL for the comp pick, if I understand those correctly. Going back to the Giants moves, I don't understand anything gettleman is doing, but he probably doesn't either, so there's that.

Very true, although he seems like a stubborn pr*ck who will not listen to criticism I think when you trade back you need to not have any specific targets in mind, knowing that your specific guy might not be there, so you need to be willing to accept multiple players at that spot. That Chicago trade is tough to gauge though They gave up 2017 third and fourth (#67, #111) and a 2018 third (#70) to swap up to #2 from #3 While it seems really terrible on paper in hindsight, let's not forget that the 49ers QBs of 2016 were kaep and gabbert, and they went into 2017 with CJ beathard and hoyer at the helm. They didn't trade for Jimmy g until October of '17. It was very likely they would select a QB at #2 and the bears didn't want to lose their guy. There also might have been other offers on the table so they may have had to beat them. The picks ultimately led to: Chicago : -trubisky (#2 2017) SF : -Solomon thomas DE (#3 2017) -akhello Witherspoon (#66 2017) -rueben Foster (#31 2017) -dante Pettis (#44 2018) Witherspoon, Foster, and Pettis were through packaging their own picks with the ones from the trade, and the other players selected with their picks were kamara, guice, and I forget the others.... It was a bunch of crazy trades!! I now that was a tangent and I didn't finish it because I got lost in the trade-web ?

They were not an average defense. Even the PFF nerds will tell you that.

Considering they were one of the top4 defenses in football last year, signed a couple of good receivers and OL, have the #9 pick... Wilson would instantly turn them into a top team I'm going to say that your comment is just being made to argue because it's pretty obvious how good this team would be with a QB of Wilson's caliber behind the wheel

Long term Allen obviously, although this roster with Wilson is legit a 12+ win team.

Gettleturd doesn't seem like a "trade down" kinda guy I mean anything goes with him This is the brain trust who drafted a rb @#2 last year ahead of Allen and darnold ??

I think DT is safer, with a higher floor generally I think there are less all pro elite DT that de though as well I really do think they should have separated them

Williams won't make it past 6 at the latest.

Which instead just melts the tongue

He's pretty good. I mean I've got my top3 (Oliver, hock, DK, in no particular order) but I wouldn't be too upset with white at #9 if he is there.

I mean they've been pretty bad overall since '97 and beyond What? 5 winning seasons? I think it's time you rebuild that shrine

I wonder if it's because those positions play the most similar from college to pro game? Qb, wr, rb probably see the biggest differences in college career pro schemes, so they gave the hardest transition, as well as they are the hardest to project. I wonder if teams reach for them more often as well, where a ot/ol or lb are typicy but drafted high unless they are clearly a game changer

So you're saying it's your fault?

My house is a wife cave.

Not sure I'd have to try and look into that success rate #20 is probably higher by a bit though

It's not about how many spots they moved, it's about the tier that they moved to Picks "value points" aren't linear The gap from pick to pick widens the closer to the top of the draft you are Anyway these are guidelines It's like (making up numbers) they aren't going to take a 4th, 5th, and two 6th for a late first even if the "points" align

Your assertion is the complete opposite of what your want to do if you wish to achieve max value. Brown is the one who demanded the trade. Ffs man. I'm done with you.

No. When you've decided to trade somebody, you make that known. What he stated was that all options other than outright release were available. You asserted trade was the only option and they preferred to "rid themselves" of him. That wasn't the only option until he demanded the trade. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp.

NO. Rooney said he didn't envision brown on the team in the upcoming year. This was because brown had quit on the team and wasn't going to show up unless they changed his mind. Keep trying. It's quite entertaining watching you make things up.

What? What are you even talking about? What critical thinking skills are required here? Brown wasn't returning phonecalls from Rooney or Tomlin. Rooney, at this point, had not spoken with him, and had basically assumed brown had quit on the team, but that it might still be salvageable. When they finally got together Brown made it clear that he would not show up to work anymore, and that he wanted to be traded. Prior to that, Rooney was open to bringing him back, even after all the BS. That means your assertion that they wanted to "rid themselves of Brown" does not follow the events that took place. What are YOU missing? YOU are instead, as usual, twisting a narrative, coming to conclusions that don't fit with the events, then just throwing your hands up and claiming somebody "lacks critical thinking skills". Nice try doc. Stay classy.

NO HE DID NOT "On Thursday, during an interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Steelers team president Art Rooney II said that it's "hard to envision" Brown being with the team for training camp. He also ruled out the possibility of the team releasing him, but acknowledged that "all other options are on the table." That, of course, means the two sides could always make up and get back together, but it also means the Steelers could actually trade Brown" that's him saying we might be too far gone in this situation but who knows Not the same as your assertion that they WANTED TO RID THEMSELVES OF HIM Keep trying, doc

What Rooney meant was exactly what everybody assumed. Brown didn't want to play for them anymore. They had behind closed doors discussions and her said as much. He then publicly demanded a trade. Prior to that the Steelers planned to keep him, and probably still would have, if he had not DEMANDED A TRADE. AGAIN. You are missing the point. YOU asserted that the Steelers wanted to rid themselves of brown. HE demanded the trade. These facts that you cannot dispute.

Except it doesn't. Newbie?? I'm sorry, you sound a bit upset You still have not responded proper though. You claimed, again, I'm going to quote it: "There's a reason why a) a premier franchise like the Steelers wanted to rid themselves of him and b) they got almost nothing for him in trade" The reason was, again, that HE DEMANDED A TRADE. prior to that, he was not on the block. So your assessment that they wanted to "rid themselves of him" was inaccurate. He demanded a trade, and said he wouldn't play for them again, so they traded him. It's pretty simple.