mjd1001

To me if you are going to spend $1billion plus, it needs to be downtown. Asking the taxpayers for that much money, and you have to at least TRY to justify more use than just 10 bills games per year. Will you get your money back no matter what? probably not, but you can make a case for greater use downtown than you can tucking it away in Orchard park. But if you REALLY want to keep it in Orchard park, the cost has to be a lot lower. Down there you don't need a 'modern' palace. You want it there, then it will be enjoyed by the same people who go to the game now. It can be brand new, but you don't need much/many of the modern ammenities. We could go round and round on this topic and everyone has their own point of view, but for me it is simple...if it is staying in Orchard park, the taxpayer portion of the bill better be pretty small. You want a LOT of taxpayer money? The the project better be downtown.

I think Pats fans are still in the area where they think their team can do little wrong and any bad season is just a blip. Kinda like Yankee fans were in the early 2000s or even Bills fans were in the middle 1990s. The friends from there (and co-workers, we have an office in Foxboro), really REALLY think last year was a result of covid and the pats deciding to reload. Many of them think it is a given they are going to be 12-4 or 13-3 this year...that they drafted the right guy at QB and that they will be playing in the superbowl 5 times in the next decade. Seriously, a lot of them actually THINK that there is just something different about the Patriots that no matter what, they are and will be the best franchise forever.

I have a few Pats fans still as friends (I lived quite a few years near Boston) and already got 2 text from them....they are trying to justify among themselves how this is a terrible deal for the Bills, that they overpaid for a QB that will be the 2nd or 3rd best in the division 2 years from now..etc, etc.

Not exactly. Personally I am fine with it, because I think he isn't the highest paid guy in the league, and he is likely to be passed by a few more guys by the time the deal is done, and I like him as a QB. However, I can see people out there thinking "he did it only for one year" or " there is a chance this could be a Wentz/Goff type situation" and I still here a few people (not many, but a few) thinking his success is a result of a perfect storm of the right coach and right surrounding cast. I just thought a poll would be good to see where everyone lands on there, some people may not think it is a good deal and don't want to make a direct post about it because they don't want to be attacked by the vast majority of us who do think it is a good deal.

This thread might not go anywhere, but in light of most of people I have talked to loving the deal, does anyone not like it? Either when they heard about the deal it just didn't seem right? Or maybe they think it is a bad deall all around for the Bills? I'm just curious as to the actual percentage of fans that may not be on board with it, because since yesterday, it seems to me like 95% + love it. I know we have a huge thread on this, but I was hoping to see the results of a poll, a 'quick look' at responses as an alternative to spending hours reading through the tread and mentally tallying the opinion.

You just don't get it. It DOESN'T matter that is or isn't true if it is out there. Blame someone for leaking it. Blame the media for reporting a false rumor or a true fact. It doesn't matter. It IS OUT THERE, so it is a discussion point...people want to talk about it. Because you personally KNOW (somehow) that it isn't true doesn't just mean you should be the authority on this thread being closed down because you know so much that no-one else does.

Yeah, even though something is a big story, and something a A LOT of people want to talk about and give their opinion about....lets ask the mods to end the thread because someone doesn't want it to continue. THAT is what message forums are all about. lol

I'm not saying anything you bring up is false, but the fact this news is out there is already a PR disaster for the Bills. You don't bring up relocating the team as a possibility in any way if it can even have a slight chance of going public this early in negotiations.....in light of all that is going on with the Sabres and the Bills just turning the corner after a couple of bad decades.

I'm just not a big fan of the Pegulas as owners. It seems like they are sucking the fun out of being a sports fan for me in Buffalo. Sure, they are a big reason the team was kept here but: -To me the mess the Sabres are in is on them. I think we are looking at at least 2 more years without the playoffs for the Sabres (at least). That will have them as owners of the team for a full 12 years, and 12 straight years of no playoffs (they made it the tail end of the season they bought the Sabres.) Before Kim and Terry? The team never went more than THREE years in a row without making the playoffs. -The Bills. You just DON'T make that kind of threat, or even bring it up casually, in a way where it can go public (leak or not) in the opening rounds of stadium Negotiations. It might not matter to them, but this city is starving for something good in sports. The bills were bad for SO LONG, and we are coming off the pandemic so with the exception of a very small number of people, it has been HOW long since there was even a home playoff game? And with what is going on with you and the Sabres in this town, you just don't let the threat, or even the THOUGHT of moving get out right now.

another one: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/austin-emerges-as-possible-relocation-spot-for-bills-amid-new-orchard-park-stadium-negotiations-per-report/

It sound like a situation where the Bills management let this go.....at this point a phone call might/should have been made. If it continues, a nice few minute 'Cole, sit down in my office' conversattion should happen. If THAT still doesn't slow this down, then maybe severe action will be taken. It is hard to be known as a coach/GM/organization that 'stands by its players' and lets them 'be who they are', but then to come down too hard on them for their social media use. The Pats? Yeah, they might have cut him already. But the Bills I think pride themselves on giving the players a lot of rope....lets see just how much that is though.

Ok, the inflation is as much (or more) a result of supply shortages, labor shortages, transportation issues...a backlog of services...basically things CAUSED by the pandemic....more than the actions of any 1 of the two parties. Go ahead, Libs blame the right and the right can blame the libs....that is just you being a 'blowhard' for your own side. Deficit spending and increased money supply...does that ADD to the issue? It sure does, but that is the fault of BOTH sides. Commodity prices have already come down alot. When the supply chain gets better (it is GETTING better already) than inflation will level out. Now mind you, that doesn't mean prices will go DOWN...just the rate at which they are going up will flatten.

I agree with most of that...it does make preseason more enjoyable.

It would be nice if these threads didn't get locked so we could actually discuss the topic. Too many times I'll start reading a thread and get into it, and want to make a legitimate response and then it gets locked. When politics get involved, how about a mod removing some of the offensive posts AND banning the posters who bring up politics for a good week or two instead of just closing threads we want to talk about? I guess the mods do a pretty good job, I'd just like to see less threads closed and instead just do temp bans on the dumb posters who get the closed.

0 for 2 with us. Wasn't terrible, but overall experience was average to below-average both times. So much potential, hopefully the new place will be an improvement.

Terrible, decades long missed opportunity to make it a dome and downtown (if that was possible) real mature, lets keep this message board civil by attacking people who don't agree with you.

I agree. I grew up a Bills fan, had season tickets to watch most or all of the Kelly years from the time I was a kid, and I'm glad the Bills usually beat the Dolphins and Marino....but overall I thought Marino was a much better QB. No Super bowls, but I think he was the best of his generation and maybe the best of all time. He was the Peyton Manning of that Generation, but maybe even better based on what the Defenses were allowed to do back then. Elway was brought up in this thread, I never really saw how people think he was one of the greatest ever. As a kid and teenager I watched as many NFL games as I could. Almost ever playoff game but I probably saw Elway play in a few dozen regular season games across his career....and my memory tells me he had more average games than great ones. And I'm talking throwing the ball over WR heads, throwing it into the chest of DB's for the interception...Deciding to run for 8 yards on a third and 10 when you can see someone wide open on TV right at the first down market...Other than 'the drive' and a few clutch plays, game to game I thought Elway was one of the most overated.

I agree with your premise. There doesn't have to be a direct correlation between the Sabres and the Bills.....the idea is that....things happen. Every single team in any sport can have a season that is below expetcations. The difference is....'below expectations for the Sabres turns out to be historically bad because of where they started from. The Bills are not likely to have that kind of season...but, there is always a chance they are going to be a certain level below expectations. With that team it could be a .500 record and fighting for a wild card spot. I'm not saying that is my prediction, but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities.

Unless Belichick has Brady and/or is cheating, he isn't anything too special. He doesn't have Brady, and hopefully he isn't cheating so I'm not worried. If anything, his 'attitude' seems to be driving players away from the Pats (without brady there, a lot of guys don't want to put up with that staff)

Look at the charts today (Sunday). Yesterdays report numbers were a tad bit better week-over-week, but today now they show a slight uptick week-over-week by the day. So as of this morning, we are at 4 of the last 5 days where the number of cases reported on a given day this week is slightly higher than reported on the same day the previous week. Alarming? Maybe not? A turning point in the trend? hopefully not, hopefully just statistical noise...but certainly something to keep watching if this continues for the next few days. Dig a little deaper into the numbers....for the last 4 or 5 weeks, the 7 day moving average on a state by state basis was steady or moving down in just about every single state. That has changed now also as of this morning. The 7 day moving average of cases is now rising in...Maine, New Jersey, Texas, Delaware, Georgia, Florida, Nebraska, TN, Arkansas, N. Mexico, Nebraska, S. Dakota, N. Dakota, Idaho, and Washington....with another handful of states where the moving average is close to turning up.

Ok, its only 3 days, but its getting a bit worrisome than cases are starting to trend back up (No news seems to be reporting this yet...maybe its just something they think is too small of a sample?) More cases reported in the USA yesterday (Wed, 24th) than last week (Wed, 17th). More cases reported Tue of this week than Tue of last week. More cases reported Mon of this week than Mon of last week. I'm not taking a shot at your or your comment....as I have a problem with both sides of the poltical debate (truly, I really REALLY think i'm someplace in the middle) but...what I laugh about is message boards, twitter and most forms of social media I follow....when it comes to politics VERY LITTLE time is spent promoting what 'your side' is doing well, most time and effort is just spent bashing the other side and basing what the other side is doing.

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I agree with the first part of your reply. Some people seem to 'live' on this forum, checking threads what....a few times per day? Once a topic doesn't have any posts for a few hours to them that thread is dead. I am in your position....I may check the forum a couple times per day, but then if I'm busy I might go a week or more without checking in....so why do people have a problem if we post a little while after-the-fact?

I agree. If this team wasn't against the cap with some tough financial decisions, I think it would be a 'no-brainer' that he would stay. But that isn't the case. When you are tight with money and have to let some players go, the best way to do that is not look at the skill of that player in a vacuum.....but look at how much of a drop-off your replacement will be. Brown may still be good and valuable, but if there isn't that big of a drop off in who will replace him, those are the moves you make.

Simple for me. The OL has to be better. I think this was a below average line the entire year. Allen's mobility saved them a lot of sacks (put most other QBs behind this line and they would be allowing a LOT more sacks) and they didn't open many holes in the running game.