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I stand corrected. I hadn't noticed that name at the bottom of each and every player scouting report and it looks like he does them all. Miami has stated that all options are on the table and they will look at a QB with their first pick. The thing is that Arizona is still looking for a QB and I highly doubt they will be thinking Bradford, Glennen long term. I can see them in the mix to move up if one of the top four/five are there.

Trent Edwards was recommended by the late great Bill Walsh and at first, he looked like he might be special. Drafted by Buffalo in the third round of the 2007 NFL draft, and he came into Buffalo with JP Losman as the starter * (JP is another story entirely) Edwards started in his first season going 5-4. Marv Levy was the GM at that time and I think he Jauron got together to bring the greatest show on turf to Buffalo to make the greatest show on snow. Allow me to explain. After the 2005 season, the owner fired GM/team president Tom Donahoe and sought out an old friend to be his new GM. Marv Levy wanted to be a head coach again so he took the job thinking he could be both GM/HC. Shortly thereafter Ralph Wilson made it very clear that Marv was only ever to be the GM and he needed to hire a HC. Marv settled on two candidates in ex-Chicago Bears HC Dick Jauron and ex-Green Bay HC Mike Sherman. After the Sherman interview, Levy stated that he blew his socks off so anyway he, later on, hired Jauron. Jauron hired ex-St Louis OC Steve Fairchild to be the new OC in Buffalo along with Perry Fewell as his DC. Steve Fairchild was the Rams OC for three seasons under HC Mike Martz (2003-2005)and he didn't call the plays, Martz did. This is relevant because Fairchild changed the offensive playbook from Erhardt-Perkins to Air Coryell. Basically moving to a deeper passing scheme (Mike Martz's scheme) like the Rams had during their super bowl run with Dick Vermeil as the Rams HC and Martz as OC. Now if you know anything about that deep passing Martz scheme it really only worked when they had an all-pro offensive line and Marshall Faulk out of the backfield. Back then Martz took over as the Rams HC after Vermeil retired and his passing scheme with calling deep passing plays kept getting his QBs killed. Kurt Warner hurt his hand badly and wasn't the same for a few years so Marc Bulger took a beating for a while until Martz was fired in St Louis after 2005. If you follow Martz he went to Detroit next as OC for two years, SF for one year and finally his last two years in the league as OC was for the Bears where his scheme kept getting Jay Cutler killed. This is all relevant because Trent Edwards played in a West Coast offensive scheme in college at Stanford and wasn't familiar with an NFL deep passing scheme. So, Trent only got one season to learn that scheme from Fairchild in 2007 as Fairchild after that season to the head coaching job in college at Colorado. If you know anything about Bill Walsh's WCO it's an offense mostly predicated on a short passing scheme like an elongated handoff. Bill Walsh's West Coast Offense differs from traditional offense by emphasizing a short, horizontal passing attack to help stretch out the defense, thus opening up options for longer running plays and longer passes that can achieve greater gains. This is kinda why Ewards was noted for being "captain check down" because that was the scheme he was used to running. After Failchild left Buffalo the Bills then promoted the QB coach in Turk Schonert who was a backup QB for a lot of seasons before taking the job as QB coach. It is noted that the Bills switched to a WCO scheme and yet that Martz playbook was still in Buffalo. No offense to Schonert but he had no business being the Bills OC after only one season as QB coach and the team switching schemes away from what Schonert was groomed under. Anyway, that 2008 season started out magical for Buffalo in that they started the season 4-0 by beating the Seahawks, the Jags, the Raiders, and Rams. The Buffalo Bills forums went mental after those four games at that time with so many saying that Trent Edwards looked like a young Joe Montana by beating the Seahawks in the opener 34-10 with Edwards going 20 of 31 for 234 yards, 2 TD's. The next game at Jacksonville with Edwards going 20 of 25 for 239 yards, 1 TD. Beating the Raiders at home in a close game with Edwards running the game-winning drive with 4 min left, Bills win 23-24. Edwards went 24 of 39 for 279 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. The fourth game was a win at St Louis 31-14 with Edwards going 15-25 for 197 yards 1 TD, 1 INT. In those four games, Edwards took 11 sacks. one sack from the Seahawks. Jacksonville 3 sacks. Raiders, 3 sacks. Rams 4 sacks. In the two seasons of playing Trent Edwards had been concussed more than once by some hard hits. the big one came against Arizona in week 5. This was the hit that ruined Edwards career IMO. Concussion protocol is different in today's game and Edwards would not have been allowed to return until he was medically cleared and perhaps even needing to sit out the rest of the season. He returned the next week against San Diego in beating the Chargers and he looked good by going 25 of 30 for 261 yards, 1 TD. In today's game that hit by Adrian Wilson would have been a huge fine and even a suspension The thing is concussions can have lingering effects and the more hits you take after a severe concussion the more it can affect you and cause complications. Edwards wasn't sacked in that Chargers game but he was sacked 2x against Miami, 5x against the Jets. As the season went on you could see Edwards wasn't the same player we all saw at the beginning of the season. So yeah. In the end, Edwards was a Broken QB IMO.

Great news! I hope they draft him with that #2 pick and Darnold goes first to the Browns. The Jets then get Mayfield or Allen and Denver gets whomever they don't choose. Or Buffalo can trade up to four and select whomever the Jets don't select...that is if they like that guy. I'd rather Mayfield or Allen without giving up the entire farm for a guy who grades around the same. I think so too unless Buffalo gets in front of them at 2 or 4...and even then they still might go after Jackson or Rudolph.

Two first round picks oughta do it...Whaley approves.

Like someone else pointed out that this draft is very deep at certain positions and not so deep at others. The QB's grade from Darnold at 7.0, Rosen 6.1, Allen and Mayfield 6.0. Jackson 5.9. Even Mason Rudolph grades at 5.6. Why would anyone trade the farm for anyone other than Darnold when the next three guys are graded about the same. IF Darnold is sitting there at #2 then go for it and if not wait to see if any drop. This draft is filled with RB's, OG, OC, DT, LB. the positions in short supply are pass rusher, WR, CB, LT. BADOBILZ listed these in another thread.

Notice at the end he criticises him for being a second late with a pass and he did that often last year. At the NFL level, those passes will result in turnovers. He is a future NFL star if you have the patience to develop him properly and set up an offense to suit him. The problem is it may take a year or more and the end result might not be what you want. He is a gamble and hence his grade of 5.9. Like Josh Allen, Jackson has a very high ceiling if he is allowed to develop properly and he has the coaches to set it all up for him. Like Allen, Jackson had to it all himself last year with a bad line, bad receivers. Both their grades are very similar and both come with risk is all I've been saying. The kid has flaws that the scouts think can be fixed.

No offense to you as I see the tweet. I have a difficult time believing that he is the only one writing that draft tracker as the NFL has 50+ writers and Zierlein has only worked for NFL.com since 2015! That tracker has been there for quite a few years. No single writers name is on that tracker that I see and most times when you have a single contributor their name is on their work. I see that he lists his own mock draft as do other writers and they put their names to it. Here is a link to the tracker in 2014 before Zierlein even worked for NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade

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Well, one of them is Daniel Jeremiah a former NFL scout for three NFL teams Eagles, Browns, Ravens. There are other highly regarded NFL scouts, players who put these grades together and they are pretty accurate. This year teams are acting so desperate to get a top QB like the NY Jets moving from #6 to #3. It's like Bills fans are also getting desperate thinking that they will miss out. There is only one QB graded at 7.0 and that is Darnold who will probably go #1 overall. Rosen has a grade of 6.1 because he has more baggage. Both Mayfield, Allen have grades of 6.0 and Jackson a 5.9. Why give up the farm and all the animals for a 6.1 when one of two 6.0s just might fall out of the top six. Mason Rudolph grades a 5.6. The only player I can see Buffalo trading up for is Darnold as the rest grade pretty close together. See what I'm saying at all?

That is not what I said. Besides that, you are welcome

Some of you guys are missing the point as all I said was a higher grade. I never said they had to be an Elway or Luck. This is a very deep draft with a lot of talent. Shoot, I'd be happy to give up three first rounders or 5, 6 possible starters for a QB with say an 8.0 grade.

THIS YEARS QBs DON"T EVEN COME CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!! a grade of 7.0 is a far cry from a 10.0. and Darnold is barely a 7.0

It's not when you have an Elway or a Luck that is actually worth giving up 3 first rounders for, or 5, 6 very early picks for. but to give up that many early picks for players who simply don't grade that high. It's foolish! If any of this years QB's graded out higher I'd be "all in"! They don't! They... all ...have... warts!

That list was all about the starting QB's for last year (2017) and not about past QB's. I haven't researched it but I'm pretty sure you don't NEED a top-five pick at QB to win the super bowl. Okay, I'll research it! 26 of 47 super bowl winning QB's were taken in the first round. Six first-round overall picks have won one or more SB's, Bradshaw 4, Aikman 3, Plunkett 2, Elway 2, Manning 2, Manning 2. The thing is, that none of this year's QB's are in the same grade as any of those six overall picks. Darnold grades as a 7.0. Rosen grades as a 6.1. Both Mayfield and Allen a 6.0. Jackson a 5.9. Elway like Andrew Luck was considered a once in a decade blue-chip prospect with both a solid 10. NFL.com Grading Scale GRADE TITLE 9.00-10 Once-in-lifetime player 8.00-9.00 Perennial All-Pro 7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro 7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl to All-Pro ability 6.50-6.99 Good NFL starter with Pro Bowl potential 6.00-6.49 Chance to become good NFL starter 5.70-5.99 Could become early NFL starter 5.30-5.69 Backup or eventual starter 5.15-5.29 Developmental prospect or special teams potential 5.01-5.14 Back end of the roster 5.00 50/50 chance of making the roster

I agree that it's very important that both Wentz and Goff found some brilliant minds to help guide them. Goff, in particular, is so lucky to have Sean McVay as his HC because he really stunk in 2016 with a 0-7 record, 5 TDs, 7 INTs a 54.6 comp% under Jeff Fisher and he was looking like a very poor choice before the new HC.

#1 Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.- WON 6 SBs #2 Aaron Rodgers was a late 1st, 22nd overall. WON SB #3 Ben Rothlisberger was a mid-round pick, 11th overall. WON 2 SBs #4 Drew Brees was a second-round pick, 32nd overall. WON SB #5 Carson Wentz, first round, 2nd overall pick in 2016. #6 Russell Wilson was a 3rd pick, 75th overall. WON 2 SB #7 Cam Newton, 1st overall. went to an SB #8 Matthew Stafford, 1st overall. playoffs #9 Andrew Luck, 1st overall. playoffs #10 Phillip Rivers, 1st round 4th overall. Playoffs #11Jimmy Garappolo, 2nd round, 62nd overall. #12 Kirk Cousins, 4th round, 102nd overall. #13 Jamis Winston, 1st overall. #14 Dak Prescott, 4th round, 135th overall. Playoffs. #15 Marcus Mariota, 1st round, 2nd pick overall. Playoffs #16 Derek Carr, 2nd round, #36 overall.Playoffs. #17 Alex Smith, 1st round, 1st overall. playoffs #18 Deshaun Watson, 1st round, 12th overall. #19 Jared Goff, 1st round, 1st overall. #20 Andy Dalton, 2nd round, 35th overall. playoffs. #21 Tyrod Taylor, 6th round,180th overall. playoffs. #22 Ryan Tannehill, 1st round, 8th overall. #23 Joe Flacco, 1st round, 18th overall. WON SB #24 Eli Manning, 1st round, 1st overall. WON 2 SB #25 Mitch Turbisky, 1st round, 2nd overall. #26 Sam Bradford, 1st round, 1st overall. #27 Case Keenum -UNDRAFTED #28 Jay Cutler, 1st round, 11th overall. #29 Carson Palmer, 1st round, 1st overall. Playoffs #30 Deshone Kizer, 2nd round, 52nd overall. #31 Trevor Siemian, 7th round, 250th overall. #32 Blake Bortles, 1st round, 3rd overall. Playoffs #33 Nick Foles, 3rd round, 88th overall. WON SB Think I got this pretty close. Looking over all those QBs who have been picked in the top 5 only Eli Manning has won 2 super bowls. Almost half that have been picked very early and made the playoffs. Six QB's have won super bowls have been picked later than the top 5, three are first round picks. I think the point here is not the fact that Buffalo hasn't spent the picks to find that franchise QB because they did try with first-round pick JP Losman, or third-round pick Trent Edwards. I think it's more of a testimony of their scouting/talent evaluation incompetence since the Jim Kelly days. You don't NEED to draft a QB with the first or second overall pick. You just NEED to know what the hell you are doing when you evaluate them.

Forget about reasoning with a pack of food-starved, crazed rabid dogs drooling over what they see is a tasty morsel of something they haven't had for over two decades. Right now every QB in the top few look like the next Jim Kelly to them. Everyone wants the next Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson and what they will get is another Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson all go in the first round and probably only two will beat the odds and have good success in the NFL. Which two? As for me, I'd like to keep all the 2018 picks and steal this guy away from Pittsburgh at 22 for leaving us holding our JP Losman. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/3/3/17073246/mason-rudolph-draft-oklahoma-state-qb-2018

Yes, many sites say that Bobby Petrino ran a complicated offense at Louisville. That simply means different sets mostly all out of a shotgun formation like three wide receiver sets, two back sets, single back. A lot of run/pass options. The fact remains Jackson wasn't under center which is considered more of an actual pro-style scheme. Also, most all the scouting reports I've come across state that Jackson typically made one or two reads and then ran. "Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions. Pocket awareness has room for improvement. Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor. Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season. Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball. Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets. Turnover total still too high." http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/lamar-jackson?id=2560053 Watch the vid, weakness...accuracy, anticipation, progressions. You simply can't be a second late in the NFL with a pass.

Both graded a rank 7, Wentz and Darnold. Geoff was an 8, Rosen is an 8. I dunno, I see more warts on this year's top two with that loopy throwing motion and the other with personality, durability issues. My take is that everyone sees what Wentz, Goff, and Deshaun Watson turned out like and now everyone is desperate to get one those guys. Except these men aren't those men. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000919918/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft-20 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000641197/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2016-nfl-draft

I agree. I would rather Darnold over Rosen. I hope they stay put or trade up slightly for Mayfield, Allen. Three firsts this year for a QB is a desperation move. I don't see a Wentz, Luck in those first two.

If they do get it wrong It's going to set the team back a few years for sure AND possibly be a regime killer if they get it wrong ...and with the very next pick, the NY Jets get it right! Kinda like bonehead Jauron and his Aaron Maybin pick as a pass rusher and the Redskins two picks later ran to the podium to select Orakpo. I'm one of the guys who doesn't see a QB as a top-five pick in the year's draft. Sam Darnold, pick #6 with his loopy throw from his waist like David Garrard will give DBs that split second of expectation of where the pass is going. All those fumbles the last two years are just what Buffalo needs in their version of Mr. Buttfumble, Mark Sanchez. Might be comparable to Andrew Luck but not with that throwing motion or problem with fumbles. Josh Rosen, Pick #7 durability issues with a kid who can't escape the pocket so when he does get hit it results in an injury, concussion. aka, Sam Bradford. Poor career deep ball percentage because he lacks the arm strength to zip the ball in. When forced to run with the ball his completion percentage drops down to 42.4%. Tough to like, tough to coach and better in a WCO short passing offense. Should the Buffalo Bills trade up to that #2 spot with the NY Giants I hope they select RB Saquon Barkley so all AJ McCarron need do this year is to hand the ball off to McCoy, Barkley. Should he need to throw McCoy is in the flat, Clay over the middle and KB in the red zone. Feel free to blaze away

Read the scouting report I posted! Works exclusively under shotgun Was not asked to read progressions much Didn’t look past first read very often Very high rate of snaps were option runs What's particularly scary is this kid ran a lot and when he did run his throw percentage went from 59.15 down to 42%. Russell Wilson, he is not! Louisville runs a spread offense, one or two reads and run. There is a world of difference between that and what most NFL teams run.

I agree. It's not all about watching highlight film which was Whaley's forte. It's about watching all the film the including the bad with the good. The point about interviewing the player's coaches is very important along with interviewing his teammates and friends to understand what kind of a person he is. This QB is going to be the face of the franchise for the next decade and they want to know what they're getting themselves into. Just from reading the scouting reports I don't see why Josh Rosen is in the top five or even Darnold for that matter given the history of USC QB's in the NFL. I simply don't see a QB worthy of trading up to that #2 spot or even in the top five. That's just me though.

I think he is telling the truth. The scouts OTOH have probably been going into overtime making certain they know what they are going to do. It's what he did in free agency in being patient, prudent and not overpaying for a franchise wannabe QB. AJ McCarron could be the future franchise QB for this team and we won't know until the season starts. Nobody knows. I think the Bills will draft a QB this draft just not really sure where and I can only hope they don't overpay. Going by the way they handled free agency I think they will wait to see how things pan out with the first three picks and if someone is there they really like after the Jets pick. I know so many fans want the Bills to move up to #2 and I just don't see it for a QB with warts. There is no Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning in this year's draft. Why would this FO even think about three firsts and more for a QB in this year's draft?

Good stuff and thanks for posting Reed83HOF. Hearing from Yolo on the Bills giving up so much to move to #2 to draft Josh Rosen now appears like this is all him and what he likes and not thankfully what Beane, McD want in the draft. If I'm these men looking at the quality/quantity of players in this years draft class and knowing that the hit rate on finding a starting franchise QB is about 33%. I don't think there is a QB in this years draft class giving up three firsts for, much less more than that. Just some food for thought that the last time three QBs went in the first three picks was in 1999. The first overall pick went to Cleveland, Tim Couch. The second pick was Donovan McNabb to Philly. The Third pick was Cincy Akili Smith to Cincy.