Billsfan1972

Now this is a good post. The OP was okay until commenting on Watkins. The loss could potentially be huge as he is a proven talent and could be a superstar if two things happened as a Bill. 1. 10 Targets/game, which is in line with what #1 receivers with his talent get 2. Stays healthy Sorry to me that was not a stretch. Trading him and Darby resulted in a worse team. Heck as I state it is a crapshoot and look at how lucky they got with Lorenzo Alexander, who was almost out of football and now better then many drafted Bills.

I blamed it on the OC and the inability to call plays at the line or be allowed to change them. You watch and TT seldom looked at the defensive scheme (as opposed to Manning and other QB's). The old chicken or egg and just wonder if it would have continued. Watkins was targetted 3 less times then other elite receivers and that in a full season is probably 30 catches..... Math is pretty simple. I used Cleveland because that was the trade and those were their picks. I shows that picks in football are exactly like going to vegas and betting..... A crap shoot.

And made two trades that made them worse this year..... When you give away the best player in any trade you are trading down. How is that trying to win????

So what you're saying is embrace a team that will again not make the playoffs, made trades that have made them worse and won't get them in the top 5 and trust rookie coaches and gm's to make the right decisions. Good thing all 32 teams can play in empty stadiums, turn a profit and sell WNY fans on hope...... How about 2-3 tweaks, swinging for the fences and actually making the playoffs. Already the longest drought in the NFL and already anticipating another 3-4 years to get this regime acclimated and give them a chance? And this was a great post?????? Wow, just wow......

I see a lot of threads regarding the trade and don't understand it at all as a FAN....... Now draft nerds are another story and build on hope. There is no way the Bills are a better team for trading Watkins in 2017. We punted on 3rd down the season away imo. Add to that Watkins was the player I wanted to see healthy and the ball thrown too, but I'm sure this coaching staff probably had him penciled in as a decoy........

Draft Day baby.... Draft Day will be huge, forget the regular season...... Who's up for a tailgate April 26th!!!!!

And wait to see what he gets paid (and by the Giants).....

Nope too many to read through, just saw another thread complaining as to where Watkins was drafted. And to those saying the Bills wouldn't pay him if he was successful the idiocy of that comment defies logic. No good players in the NFL should be paid money because they will ask for too much. Julio Jones should be on his fourth team now because Atlanta were suckers to pay him. Then of course there's Tom Brady...... If only Watkins was married to a supermodel making $40,000,000/season (and who loves Buffalo), then maybe he'd have taken a discount....... Now I get it......

And let's look at those draft picks Cleveland got..... They used #8 on Justin Gilbert, who was eventually traded for a 6th and released after 2016 by Pittsburgh. BTW they chose Johnny football @ 22. Then that great Buffalo pick in 2015 is Cameron Erving who I can't find anything on ESPN or Wikipedia...... Proves my point that the draft is a crapshoot. So yea Cleveland fleeced us.......

and explaining the trade to non-football draft-obsessed fans. Yes still pissed and explain to people why Watkins was traded so the new regime can roll the dice on another draft pick and the lunacy. Yes reading threads and people just refuse to get over the fact Watkins was drafted 4th and that it is somehow his fault. When healthy and targeted Watkins definitely lived up to the #4 pick (and yes OBJ I'm convinced would be called a bust in Buffalo with the Bills Offensive playbook). So friends (non Bills or obsessed fans) ask why he was traded and I say the following. The "Brain trust" (yes sarcasm) refused to extend him for a 5th year based on his injuries and didn't want to keep him since there is no doubt if healthy he is a star and thus the Bills wouldn't pay him. So the Bills aren't tanking and definitely got worse for 2017 from the trade(s) and as fans we can blissfully hope to hit the jackpot in the draft next year. The idiocy to me defies logic.

It's a given that Goff & the Rams are going to highlight Watkins, and yes barring injury it will be sickening to watch as Bills fans........ You can not trade away the better player in two trades and then claim you are not tanking. I bet the new regimes is hoping for key injuries as they have no interest in doing well and have shown it by the trades.

Again stupidity. This team had the ability to compete in a league that is set up for 8-8 seasons. You have to be inept or consciously try and lose and the Bills now are 2 games worse on paper. What that means as usual is a pick in the 8-12 range and their track record is lousy. If they are looking at a rookie qb that means 2018 is a wroite off too, along with 2019 & 2020.... Great.......6-10 or 7-9 and I'm supposed to be excited???? Maybe all will fall into place & TT or Shady are injured too and miss half the season.

I go to 2-3 games/yr (2+hour trip and border). I watch every game and am a true fan. I used to listen to pre and post shows too and during the week. Don't do that, but am a fan and yes a huge of Watkins. You don't trade potential franchise stars in their 4th year.

Just reading the original now 89 page reaction to the trade and more and more pathetic. 17 years no playoffs and not really a meaningful game in December and this is the way the sh$t on the fans...... Trade their most dynamic offensive player and explain it all away that they acquired draft picks!!!!!! This staff has proven nothing and told everyone that 2017 is a write off after tickets have been sold and the team has already locked in their profits. Only the Draft geeks are excited, and don't worry they'll be pissed come draft day when the Bills don't select their player....... Great at least now I don't even have to bother with the September-November games and all the annual false hope when the Bills are 4-3 or something and playoff possibilities, because we know that isn't what they are playing for.

Here here...... Bang on. The new regime has waved the white flag this year. Any success will be a fluke as the best players were traded.

I was pointing out that drafts are a crapshoot and there are a # of factors that come into play. I used Brady as an example that if Bledsoe was never injured, would he be who he is today. Second rounders are no sure things. A top 4 choice usually does okay.

I watched the games and it was the coaching as never was a play changed at the line when it was obvious single coverage. No plays over the middle, no motion and few quick screens. Actually it is pretty simple. When you have a great receiver you devise plays to get him touches. Every successful team does that. Maybe Golden State should predicate their offense around Curry being a decoy.

Are you beating that drum still? Okay I'm wrong 10.62/gm, vs. Watkins 7.46. Watkins also played with QB's much less accurate. So 3 more targets a game and Watkins should catch 2 more passes. Also averages 1.8 yards more/catch. Same amount of throws and Watkins is over 90 receptions and 1450 yards if healthy...... Oh and he had EJ throwing to him and an OC looking the other way. Scary what they gave up.

How about throwing him the ball. He had 1000 yard seasons and the highest YPC and less balls thrown his direction then any #1 receiver. What are you missing?

And why is that? If a player is worth $12-15 million and is the going rate and you have a star, then why not pay him? The Bills management have shown themselves to be so much ahead of the curve and smarter? Sorry The Pats and a few others get a pass to make such bold moves, the Bills do not. They traded the #4 pick for pennies on the $ and have put TT in a tough position. Now if thjey only traded Darby and said we're going all in on offense with Shady, Watkins, a veteran in Boldin & Matthews then I'd buy it.

How about we bet he has more then the 7 he averaged in 3 years as a Bill. $5,000 Okay???? Figure of speech. He'll be utilized much more then he was in Buffalo where his talent was wasted.

Brady may be an all-time great, but if Bledsoe wasn't injured and Belichek not his coach, what would have been his career like? Prescott wouldn't even be playing yet if not for the Romo injury and he too benefits from a great line, RB & coaching. Really that hard to follow?

Odell, Julio & Antonio all have 10 targets/wk. Watkins 7, as receivers on average catch .667 of targets that will have him at 80 receptions. I see that as legitimate.

Who said the QB is bad. I saw him with proper coaching and Watkins as the primary target and McCoy as being more then acceptable. Thanks for torpedoing 2017 in August..... But boy mark you calendar April 26-28, 2018....... The draft will be better then any Bills game.....

Did you watch those 2 years? Barely targeted and 1,000 yards receiving and ypc near the very top. I blamed that 100% on coaching and offensive playcalling. Odell, Julio & Antonio would have been hard pressed to catch 60 passes on the Bills.