Billsfan1972

Nope 3 weeks in a row and under 300 yards total total offense....... A great win, but can't keep winning with so little O. And I want to see some offense and believe in TT.

Really the Bills games are that much fun and so exciting? I'm a Bills fan since 1971 and at least I can be honest and say we've had few games that were fun to watch the last 10 years.......

No I said I want to be entertained. I am entertained when the offense moves the ball. I said all things being equal I'd much rather see them go 7-9 and have exciting games then 9-7 and most games being bored. Now again let's pretend we know the Bills record at the end of the season is 8-8 and we have the choice of a 10-7 win that is part of the 8-8 season or instead lose said game 35-34...... I'd like to be entertained and lose 35-34, have a better draft choice and have been entertained that game....... As in another post look at NO Saints and their game sheets and compare it to Buffalos....... Both 7-9 teams....... Night & day difference in the games...... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nor/2016.htm

Again I am a Bills fan, but have to admit that the pickings are slim.......

Now look @ NO Saints (7-9 too) and their games....... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nor/2016.htm See the # of fun exciting games and jaxtapose vs. the Tennessee game referenced above. And you wonder why I am getting tired of the Bills????

Actually this thread was a backhanded swipe at the low expectations of Bills Fans and what they want from TT thanks to a coaching staff that designs palys and have a game plan stuck in the 60's. Damn right I expect 250 passing a game and the ability to throw for 300. The game plan though is to try and eat up clock with the run, make no turnovers and pray that the opponenets offense is stifled. Yep bores me.....

Low expectations...... Carolina was a lousy game and I saw the second half of the Denver game and it was ok, far from exciting..... Add the 14-13 Tennessee game and that may have been one of the worst games on TV I've ever seen..... Anyone else remember the 6-3 Cleveland game? I'm sure some fans will explain how good that one was..... 18 years since 1999 and expectations are that low.

And 59 minutes of a snoozefest trumped by 2 plays?

That 14-13 Tennessee game?????? Under 100 yards passing by TT was exciting? Arizona came out of nowhere (and I was on a plane so missed it). The Denver game was good, but wouldn't call it exciting. What we saw was Symien and what he is capable of on the road and how he reacts to adversity. Now I admit I may be completely wrong and they beat Atl and Denver wins big (at home).

And no you can't read!!!! Boy let's both sound like 10 year olds..... Still Grossman & Dilfer???? Get off that soapbox. I said all SB teams had QB's who are capable and do throw 300 yard games (my yardstick) and keep defenses honest. Oh yea and engineer comebacks..... Keep telling me Big Ben & Russell Wilson are not dangerous QB's and that no one feared Peyton Manning or that Eli did not have 9 300 yard games in the season the second time he beat NE.......

Yep the KC & Oakland games where they adjusted and the Bills did not. What was most upsetting was thinking the Bills are in the same conversation (and talent) with those teams and then got blown out.......

Yep as we are on p.24 of that thread and getting off topic at times. I equate passing yards with generally exciting fun games. Seeing a 14 yard completion get's me out of my seat vs. a 4 yard rush up the middle. It is hard watching the Bills and games that are often out right boring.

Yes that was exciting and got you pumped for the Rex Ryan era. And then Indy went 8-8......

Absolutely right an exciting game. Win it 10-7 & go 8-8 in the big picture no thanks. I was at least entertained in that loss. When the end result is mediocrity absolutely. The amount of time watching games like the Tennessee 14-13 stinker or Carolina 9-3 loss is a waste. Answer this one........ Choose one...... 10-7 win week 17 to go 8-8 where nothing happens 35-31 loss week 17 to go 7-9 where it come down to the last drive..... Now extrapolate it the full season knowing the same choices and you have 17 weeks of compelling football and going 7-9 or 17 weeks of boring football to go 8-8..... Sorry I take the 7-9 exciting season every single time.

I'm not talking competitive, close or those few blowouts that were fun to watch. I'm asking about games that had you on the edge of your seat and riveted. 2015 - Jacksonville comeback (eventual loss) KC - But they screwed up and did nothing the second half Philadelphia (maybe) 2016 Seattle Miami This is my issue with the Bills. There are just so many more stinkers then compelling exciting football games. And yes I invest 3-4 each week to watch them......

No I want to see them win. Also am disgusted with myself wasting 3 hours watching a terrible game because I am a fan. New Orleans vs. Buffalo, I'd rather watch NO everytime given the same level of interest. NO 7-9 3 straight seasons, but a ton of fun games. I can't remember the last fun game the Bills played.

7-9 and exciting with a chance to come back and win games vs. 9-7 and once you're down the game is essentially over and no playoffs...... Much rather be 7-9 and entertained. Sorry 9-3 vs. Carolina was a lousy game. Even that last drive was boring. Time of Possession was 2:1, 125 yards passing...... 2016 - 9X's less then 200 yards passing, 2X's under 100, another 3X's 200-210..... 2015 - 7X's under 200..... Ughhh..... Pathetic

And I disagreed as I felt the offense was not properly suited for him, play calling was lousy and unimaginative. They bring him back and I am interested to see his play with a invigorated offense and what do they do? They trade their best receiver and set TT up to fail and talk about draft picks and not 2017...... I think TT is a competent QB, but not with the tools and players given and that is the big FU the "NEW REGIME" gave the fans. I was at the Jets game and it was boring.

Again missing the context. I'd much rather be entertained and go 7-9 then 9-7 and 14-10 games........ Absolutely right that the Saints are more fun to watch then the Bills and the results are pretty much the exact same. The difference is with Brees & the Saints a 14 point deficit does not mean the game is over. With the Bills it does. I wish I was wrong, but name one comeback in the last 3 years (closest I remember is vs. Jacksonville in London 2015 when EJ was the QB).

Yes I'd rather see 7-9 and an exciting offense that can throw for 300 yards and never out of a game, vs. 9-7 knowing that once down 10-14 the game is over. Yep call me an idiot (though neither team makes the playoffs). Now if the Bills only made the Darby trade, then TT has an above average receiving corp. As it stands now the Bills fans are banking on a defense that we'll see how it responds to their first real challenge.

That has been my comment all along. I think TT is a good qb, who could be very good, but management and OC's have undermined him and basically with the trade of Watkins ensured that. Heck Gaines may have been cut by LA as he was 4th on their depth chart when we got him. Probably could have traded for him with a # of options and he was not someone they were targeting. The Management wanted rid of Watkins and a draft pick for him. So stop using his good play to rationalize the trade. I'm talking Offense in this thread. The expectations for a Bills QB are so low, that 7-8 wins is season to build on. Scoring 20 points is a solid offensive performance. 220 yards passing in a tight game are strong #'s..... As for just win, I'd frankly grow tired and find another team if it was 100% based on defense and little to no offense. Does anyone enjoy a 10-7 defensive struggle more than a 35-31 shootout?

Let's start with wins....... The Bills are not a winning team or organization the last 18 years...... Repeat that and we can go somewhere. The Bills run game is very good, but often padded in those blowouts. When you are down in a game, then it is passing that get's you back in. An 80 yard 10 minute drive when the run game is strong and up 3 (or 7) in the 4th is great. Not so great when down 10 and the clock winding down. Geez 300 yard passers went 6-0 in week 1...... Are you ignoring that? Tom Brady threw for over 300 in the SB and won..... Does that count? Sometimes both QB's throw for 300 in a game and one loses, how do you account for that? How about if they got their team back in the game (tied it up) and lost on the last possession, does that account for anything. Answer this..... Does the threat that a QB can throw for 300 yards a game help or detract from a team?

Thank you.... Someone get's it...... The threat and ability to do it is what matters. Also helps if you're down.

Not a single team you mentioned is a pop gun offense. The Bills passing offense hasn't shown that it isn't....... How far back you going with Dilfer & Grossman..... Yep Payton is a lousy QB that scares no one, nor does Russel Wilson, nor Keapernick the year they made the SB. Guess what they too all threw multiple times for over 300, which the Bills haven't done in Regulation since 2014!!!!!! That was the point. Oh and keep ignoring Matt Ryan, Ben Rothliesberger (sp.?) oh and that Tom Brady fellow in order to make your point......

Check how many 300 yard games those teams threw for...... That was the point of the thread that they all have QB's and offenses capable and the Bills since 2014 haven't once in regulation. Everyone of the teams noted were and are capable of throwing for 300 yards and have game plans to achieve that. Funny how you ignore New England and Flacco who did it 6X's (+1 in the Playoffs) the year they won the superbowl, but you claim were not a dangerous passing team....... Eli did it 9X's in 2011........ What a joke of a post.