Billsfan1972

Again the issue is not TT, it is the decision that the team made to get worse in the short term and hope to hit on draft picks. In particular they took away TT's best receiver from a team that is woeful when it comes to throwing the ball that I blame solely on the OC and game planning. I want to see TT succeed and want to see the offense be successful. The fact that the team and fans seem so excited about 220 yards passing depresses me. I want to see 300 yards, which TT has NEVER DONE IN REGULATION....... I know everyone is excited about the D, but let's see how they perform this weekend and conversely how the Offense reacts. BTW Atlanta does not have a great defense.

DO YOU NOT GET IT????? Every QB I cited can throw for 300 yards anytime and they do. I also think TT is capable of it, but he's never don it in REGULATION. Sorry that I would like to see a 300 yard passing game, but this management of the OC's have him handcuffed (this year and prior). Wow btw he's 26th in passing yards, with 2 games at home and all three in ideal conditions...... Really amazed anyone would question Wilson, Big Ben, Eli, Luck & Ryan....... Throw in Brady and complain about his offensive #'s and that they mean nothing. When the Bills needed 10 points from the offense vs. Carolina, they put up 3.........

Did you see the Dallas game? Plenty of factors involved. How about I point out that Brees has a superbowl ring, Ryan lost in OT, Luck has made the playoffs consistently and among active QB's Eli, Big Ben, Rogers, Wilson, Flacco & some middling player named Tom Brady have all won...... I guess their ability to throw for 300 yards got in the way of SB victories......

Go back to the 70's then? Yes we all get excited when the D plays well. When the opposing D shuts down the Bills, not so much fun..... Best game I ever saw was SF vs. Buffalo https://www.espn.com/classic/s/moment010913-no-punt-game.html Maybe these are yours...... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/270428-worst-game-ever-buffalo-vs-cleveland-review

Since that hasn't happened in 3 years I don't know...... But I will tell you I watch the NFL to be entertained and that is almost always when then offense is moving the ball... Anyone remember the K-gun? Fun football then.

Because it's fun?????? I'd much rather see a team entertain me and go 7-9, vs. bore the snot out of me and go 9-7....... Again I've defended TT and blamed his results on the OC. The fact they couldn't figure how to make him and Watkins a top offensive duo pissed me to no end. And now he has less weapons. The coaching staff & front office are to blame. Was away and didn't post this earlier.

And yes I like him and this is not about TT. It is an offense mired in thinking that is 15 years + old. When Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson & Jeff Hostetler are brought up it validates my m point.

Again he played well. That is not the point. He holds on to the ball and doesn't make mistakes. But yes you need to be capable of 300 yards passing games to be successful in the long run. Name me a team in the last 15 years who was successful with a pop-gun pass attack. The point is I think TT is capable of it, but they traded away his best weapon and this yes was a typical Bills win where they are never down more then 1 score. Yep the D really exposed Trevor Symien....... And how often have we seen that in the last 5 years? And before someone mentions the Miami OT loss (took OT to get 300)......... Only 300 yards game as a Bill..... 35 games and one over 300.....

This is all we see however out of Buffalo and the offense and results in seasons in and around .500. Until you have the ability to put up 300 yards passing we get the same excitement that 200 was thrown for. Sorry that I'd really like to see more.

And ready for a ticker tape parade for the Offense? Please can we see a 300 yard passing game and a win, which every NFL team but the Bills seem capable of?

The thread was tongue in cheek and commenting how fickle things can be and change so quickly. I was being sarcastic calling Watkins soft. Frankly Watkins is still not getting nearly enough targets in any case and Goff looks better, but still holes in his game. Actually I feel bad for Tyrod as the coaching staff has set him up to fail imo (and Bills fans getting to watch boring football).

So SF who held Newton to less passing yards then Buff did and Seattle on the road to also under 200 yards passing now has a lousy defense once the LA Rams shred them. Watkins who had 7 targets in two weeks, caught 6 of 7 yesterday, but again is soft as he is in concussion protocol. His fans claimed that Goff still trying to get comfortable with him, like TT with Matthews..... Conversely Philly seems not to miss Matthews at all either. Again it is obvious watching the Rams, that Goff looks just okay, but when you have an offensive scheme, movement and interesting packages, everyone looks better and played are open. And as Bills fan the idea of a 300 yard passing game is just a dream. Will see what happens Sunday, and who knows come Monday the Bills maybe the surprise of the NFL season (or allow 40 points). Yes only 2 games + 1, but anyone who says Watkins isn't a top receiver Talent and only salivates about draft picks just is not watching the game.

10 pages on McDermott's excessive clapping (and it is really stupid the amount he does) and a great article on the issue everyone has with TT that is an epidemic in the NFL and one response? Anyone else read it and have some comments/insight?

Pretty much sums up the Bills Offense the last 17 years...... https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/9/19/16332762/watchability-fun-football-boring-quality-of-play

Almost forgot this classic thread....... Really amazed people fell for that soundbite/headline.......

Top 10 in rushing. Unfortunately no passing game or interest in passing .

Again to me there is no doubt this is the result of bad coaching and OC planning. Same in 2015 & 2016.

Actually the Bills never had good field position, and as said Carolina converted too many 3rd downs. Defense played very well, but again forced no turnovers nor were the Bills playing on a short field.

How about the defense didn't stop Carolina from having 38+minutes time of possession. The defense did not get key thrid down stops in many instances too (unless 3rd & 15). They stopped them on short yardage 2X's all game..... So yes they allowed no TD's, sacked Newton 6X's, but allowed too many 3rd down conversions and lost the field position game......

I stupidly figured the Bills staff was not incompetent, saw the films the last 2 years that Watkins was often open, didn't get nearly enough touches and that he & TT were building building chemistry and that having an Offense near the bottom of the NFL is not a winning strategy....... Again stoopid me........

He is way way way way better then what we have. Heck if Matthews was their #2 receiver then the Bills are better on Offense. To have one of the offenses in the NFL year after year after year and be excited for 250 yards in the air is pathetic. Watkins easily could have been extended but this management team doesn't like the idea of a star WR......

Welcome to on-field play means nothing. The idea of having an exciting offense is passe. Oh and 2017 means nothing, because only the draft is important.......

No not TT...... Laugh at the ineptitude of the OC and the bland play calling, little movement, no adjustments and the closest thing to changing a play at the LOS is calling a timeout. Oh and no weapons @ WR.......

I was tongue in cheek about Shady. After finally getting the ball 8 minutes into the game, it was obvious the play the Bills had called (and went for no yards). So again chicken or egg....... Is it TT's inability or no receivers and an OC's who refuse to be creative in their offensive schemes?

I don't need to live & breath the Bills 3 hours every Saturday. The 90's I'd listen to hours of Pre & Post game and call WGR and voice my concerns. Yesterday watched Carolina's first drive, turned on the PVR and did other things. Fast forwarded the game and saw that the defense looked good (and Carolina helped them). Still the Bills defense allowed too many third down conversions and 38 minutes of possession. Yes the sacks were nice, but allowed a lot of sustained drives too. And yes 0 TD's, all positives. TT didn't have a chance and this is the exact same offense I've seen for years. 25 passes again shows the team justr doesn't want to pass the ball or be creative on O. MCCoy had 9 yards rushing so I will blame him for the loss. The OC's are pathetic in their schemes and play calling and pretty much everyone knows what is coming. Had one WR and traded him and can see it will be an anchor the entire season as defenses have no respect for the bills receivers.