Felonious Monk

I'm at work, so not able to watch every play. I just haven't seen him. Doe he even have a tackle?

And new official timekeeper.

Is Mario still on the bench or just invisible (again?)?

On the not-so-bright side, you're not sharing.

I've gotta see a fourth replay, I guess -- But it sure looked like he was sightseeing.

So none of the blame is on Hogan, who just stood there like a statue and didn't bother to go for the ball or try to knock it loose?

Can't disagree with this.

August 18th, When Rex told the media, "I'm not a Super Bowl-winning coach, but I'm getting ready to be. And it's going to happen." Kiss of death.

There's one! DING!

Some really good points here. It's a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. Pay Tyrod and if he busts (like Fitz), you're sitting on heaps of dead money. Don't pay him and watch him (with our luck) go to a team within the division and (with our luck) light it up against us for years. I would love to see what TT can do working with the same OC (be it Roman or whomever) for more than one year. If he regresses next year, I'll be his harshest critic. But I really believe he has the heart and work ethic to go the other way. Ryan L Billz had a good take: "Tyrod's amazing 50 percent of the time." He has shown flashes of awesomeness (among flashes of WTF?), and he can throw the football with touch unlike any QB we've had seen since Flutie. Now it's all about consistency. If he goes from 50% to 65+% next year, I'm confident we'll have our franchise guy. How much is he willing to put into it for that 15%? If the answer is "everything," he controls his own destiny. UNLESS... If the discipline issues aren't resolved and the Bills commit even 80% of the penalties next year that they did this year, no quarterback in the league would go very far, much less one with only a year as a starter. When a 3rd and 4 consistently becomes a 3rd and 14 due to some random hack's lack of focus, lapse in judgment or hot-headedness, it kills drives and makes the QB's life hell -- nevermind the TDs or would-be first-down completions that are called back because of some hold 40 feet from the ball. On defense, a dopey defensive PI penalty that turns a 3rd and 14 into a 1st and goal only leads to more points Tyrod has to overcome. It's a shame these stats don't show up in the box score. Over/under, percentage-wise, on TBD posters who know who Pavlov was without Googling?

So THAT is what you took away from my "rant?" I can see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. No problem. I don't mind getting in the gutter with trolls. Guess who put the Bills rush offense over the top? That's right -- TT and his 450 rushing yards, genius. Look it up! Umm...

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Forget Y/A, TD% and QB rating. Let's look past all of Foles' personal stats in 2013. He played behind the best offensive line in the NFL, and it wasn't even close.The Eagles' o-line was #1 in run blocking, which helped Shady (a top-two running back) rack up 2,146 yards from scrimmage. That took a lot of pressure off Foles and opened things up nicely, giving him lots of time back there. Add to that the fact that all five starting offensive linemen started every game that year, including the playoffs -- and all five played together for 5839 of 5945 snaps -- an average of 98.18% -- and Foles' "magical" season suddenly becomes a lot more explainable. Evan Mathis and Jason Peters played at an All-Pro level, and while Jason Kelce wasn't quite there, he was very good. So was Todd Herremans. The Eagles' #4 overall pick that year -- RT Lane Johnson -- was the "weakest link," allowing 10 sacks -- but he was excellent against the run, outplaying the two linemen taken before him in that draft, and being ranked 10th through 12th in the league that year (depending on publication you're referencing) among all OTs. As for system, Philly ran the spread offense under Chip Kelly, which Foles knew well from his days as a Wildcat. In response to the other bolded point, I don't think we all know -- or care to acknowledge -- what happened the following year. Mathis and Kelce missed significant time with injuries, Johnson served a four-game suspension to start the season and key backup Allen Barbre's season ended Week 1. Their replacements were awful. The decimated line also affected Shady, who had only five rushing TDs and didn't catch a single TD pass. The OL started playing well again as the injured guys healed up -- just in time to see Sanchez under center. I have no idea what the Rams were thinking when they traded for Foles. While Rex forced the Bills' defense to learn his scheme this year, the Rams went the other way and devised an offense that catered to Foles -- shotgun heavy. It was completely unfamiliar to the team and was a disaster, leading to the firing of their offensive coordinator mid-season and Foles' benching. I'm not saying Foles is good. He is mediocre at best, and that's being generous. My point is that you or I could have had success behind the Eagles' OL in 2013. The sad reality is that the Bills' OL is nowhere near that caliber. And then there are penalties. While the 2013 Eagles committed 99 accepted penalties for 889 yards through 17 games, the Bills this year have committed 132 penalties for 1,142 yards with two games left to play. How fans can't understand what that does to a QB is beyond me. Considering that Roman is TT's fifth offensive coordinator in five years and that TT learned everything through osmosis riding the pine watching Flacco, I'd say TT has done very well as a first-year starter. Think Baltimore would welcome him back these days? I do. As others have stated, any NFL team's goal should be to improve at every position. In 2016, free agency won't be a viable option at QB, with Sam Bradford leading the free agent class. If there's a promising QB that falls to us in the draft, grab him and let him and TT battle it out in training camp, as others have suggested in this thread. The Bills have very little invested in TT and if he flames out, oh well. What is their cap hit for TT next year -- just over $1 million? Contrary to what others have written in this thread, there is no elite QB in next year's class. Despite this, Lynch will be gone by the time the Bills pick, and Goff, too, with Cleveland, San Francisco and Philly in the market -- and possibly Dallas, San Diego and New Orleans due to aging franchise QBs. One could grab Conor Cook, who is physically gifted but mentally immature and has character issues. I've been reading that NFL scouts don't like him because they say he's "more interested in being a celebrity." Johnny Football II, anyone? No thanks. (He'd be a great fit in Dallas, though). Who's next? Conklin, if he declares? IMO he's a reach in the first round and would be gone by the time the Bills are up in Round 2. With free agency a laughable option and the top QBs likely gone by the time the Bills pick, I think Tyrod's detractors will be very disappointed next year.

Let me get this straight: You're comparing a 12-year starter to a first-year starter? A first-round pick to a sixth-round pick? A QB whose first head coach was a respected winner, with a 149-90-1 career record, and second head coach, with a 91-51 record, to a QB whose head coach is a buffoon whose career record is 52-58? A QB with a $17.2 million cap hit to a QB with an $883K cap it? Yup, apples to apples right there. Now we're comparing TT to a Hall of Famer who benefited by playing alongside heaps of other Hall of Famers, led by a Hall of Fame coach who reported to a Hall of Fame GM. Question: When Kelly led the Bills to a 4-12 season in his first year as a starter, did you want him run out of town, too? Care to compare Kelly's stats as a first-year starter to TT's? Just let me know. When you post that you'd trade Mario Williams straight up for John Skelton, you make it hard for anyone to take you seriously. Not flaming, just being honest. I get why you're so high on Tannehill. After all, he's led the Dolphins to the playoffs 4? 3? 2 1 0 times since he became the Dolphins' starting QB. But who are we to talk with our playoff drought, right? Let's make it a bit more fair for Mr. Tannehill. He has led the Fins to 4 3 2 1 0 winning seasons since he became their starter. Overall, he's 2-6 against Buffalo, including two blowout losses to the Bills (and... ahem... Tyrod Taylor) this year. All that said, I firmly believe Tannehill will be a very good franchise (backup) QB someday. No, TT isn't playing like an all-pro, but what the heck do you guys expect? To say it's all on him -- or even mostly -- is laughable. Rex is a bust who has lost this team. They don't respect him, and they don't seem to have a desire to play hard for him (like they did for Schwartz last year against the Lions -- remember that?) Our defense is horrific largely because of Rex and his stupid scheme which is, at best, a square peg/round hole situation with players who excelled in another scheme just before he arrived. We're second in the league in penalties, which, by the way, have negated a ton of completion yards by TT and have forced him into 3rd-and-long situations all year. But, of course, those are just "excuses" because we are hell-bent on crucifying a sixth-round pick in his first full season even though he has exceeded all rational expectations.

Mario will be playing in a 4-3 next year.

And Dolphins fans watched their "franchise QB" continue to implode as they lost to a 3-10 team. We have it bad, but we'll be better a lot quicker than the Fish will.

Understood about the OL. But how is Karlos not a north-south guy who can hit the hole? 38-yard TD 41-yard TD 26-yard TD To me, a good RB is a threat in the passing game, too. He's tied with Sammy for team TDs and has averaged 5.7 yards per carry. Why shouldn't he play? Because he was a late-round pick?

Why can't Karlos be the answer? I'd like to see a lot more of him.

I don't get the TT hate in other posts. Like it or not, he's our starter next year (and beyond, I believe). Still think he's the best QB we've had since Bledsoe. Sure, he makes some bad throws, but ludicrous penalties force quite a bit of that. Hard to keep on topic with this thread, but to me, the positive of the season is that TT is building chemistry with Watkins. I wish their success didn't come in garbage time, but I'll take it.

Game was over in the first quarter, so it was justified imo.

Rex can't tell time.

It's hard to win in the NFL do anything right if you're the Bills.

We got that first down cuz the Redskins were too busy laughing.

This. They're not buying what he's selling and it's pathetically obvious.

I thought about it, but the Bills have been good against opposing TEs this year (Gronk included) so I started Julius Thomas. Good call.