D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

I guess I'll bump this up for the late afternoon group. We are missing some of the very vocal folks about Josh Allen performance.

Nah, disagree. Hockey has plenty of judgement calls.

I'm really curious to see the graph and the skew. It's public so everyone can put it on the line a bit.

From my reading it does appear to take rushing and rushing TDs into account.

538 has a QB performance rating that was developed from a multiple regression analysis and the ELO system. You can read more below. To save you time; the system includes everything passing, running, sacks and strength of opponent. Recent performance is weighted more than older performance. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-nfl-predictions/quarterbacks/?ex_cid=rrpromo I created an easy to read Tiered chart of the current NFL starters. One thing clearly stands out to me, they have Josh Allen ranked in the 12-15 Tier. I find this ranking very fair. I'm curious where most 2BD posters would put him of the 32 QBs? SEE POLL ABOVE THAT MAKES EACH TIER AVAILABLE. JOSH fits with Carr, Murray etc. Is this fair? where do you think he belongs? another tier? Vote in poll above! RK QB TM ELO-QBR 1 Mahomes KC 257 2 Jackson BAL 251 3 Prescott DAL 251 4 Wilson SEA 230 5 Ryan ATL 218 6 Cousins MIN 216 7 Brees NO 214 8 Rodgers GB 210 9 Watson HOU 209 10 Brady NE 196 11 Stafford DET 193 12 Carr OAK 182 13 Murray AZ 178 14 J.Allen BUF 177 15 Foles JAX 170 15 Wentz PHI 170 17 Garappolo SF 156 18 Mayfield CLE 146 19 Brissett IND 141 20 Goff LAR 140 21 Tannehill TEN 138 22 Rivers LAC 136 23 Winston TB 131 24 D.Jones NYG 126 25 Fitzpatrick MIA 123 26 Trubisky CHI 110 27 Darnold NYJ 106 28 Haskins WAS 88 29 Rudolph PIT 81 30 Finley CIN 47 31 K.Allen CAR 37 32 B.Allen DEN 35

Wrecks used to head down to the Yucatan peninsula for a little R&R, then return Weds. for his press conference (Clown Show).

That's the point! You challenge when its blatant if you want because if it's not coaches will be leery of the penalty.

You forgot " he was a horribly inaccurate 21 for 28"

It appears either that some didn't read the whole post, or some of the post, or none of the post. And, it also appears some seem perfectly happy with the current system of multiple stoppages to the game flow and loss of a timeout. My only thing is, and I may be in the minority, but I believe challenges are for big, epic game changing, season changing calls. I'm not a fan of, as I said in the OP, the first quarter 3 yard out-did he juggle, lining up Offside by a knuckle, toenail touching the OB line in the second qtr for a 2 yard gain for a FD. I know some think the game can be decided then and there, but really was replay ever intended as a super slo mo, microscopic, second chance. I agree with using it, especially on scoring plays that really matter, and I don't want teams to get screwed. But, It seems from some of the posts that people think you couldn't challenge the above. You could still challenge them but it's your decision to risk something. I stridently believe that a timeout is not enough, coaches are making the cheap challenge all the time. I agree we need to get the central, unbiased panel type thing going. It appears as if there is some other kind of agenda at work there.

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You had to go there didn't ya!

Likely because the rules are too technical, the refs suck, or the refs have an agenda.

Nonsense, you imply the reverse doesn't happen. It is very clear from your posts that you want to be able to spew pessimism unchallenged. I've been on this board awhile too, and the problem is just the opposite of what you say. That problem is of course too many negative trollers.

Well, I do think as I stated, that the total body of work matters. I do think playing better defenses are a good test. But, just throwing out random games because the opponent is deemed unworthy is assinine. These are NFL teams. And, the poster you think is being fair, complains incessantly every time I make a positive Allen comment Win, Lose or Draw. But, if your good with it so be it. Personally, I'm sick of the negative trolling on here.

That's funny, so the other games this year compared to last year mean nothing. It's laughable that you can't seem to see that many unbiased , expert observers have taken notice. Try googling it. You're another Debbie Downer who's been pissing on Allen at every positive comment made about him. You're totally biased against Josh Allen.

Personally, I don't think it's enough. I guess a lot of posters are really happy with the way things flow. JEEZ

Was he going to tell him to slide and get out of bounds?

Didn't you even read the post? In no way would what I described create what you did.

You aren't kidding. That clown seems to be on his own train...hopefully out of town.

Now there's a novel idea! Even on scoring plays?

I doubt that could be sold.

Could what you describe happen? Yes. However, I think you would find that only egregious calls would be challenged. The ones that the league would understand that if its challenged, then it must be worth it to the team. Therefore, we need to take a better look at it. No argument from me. I would also like to see a review of overly technical rules, which cause problems for the officials.

Neither. The NHL has achieved a positive result by letting you challenge as much as you want, but with consequences when it is not crystal clear and worth it to you. The flow of the game is better than trying to achieve the perfection standard of officiating.

The NHL has a new approach to challenges this year. You can challenge as much as you want, with the caveat, when you are wrong, you get a 2min penalty the first time and 4min double minor after that! What this has done is eliminate many frivolous reviews and stoppages. The game as a result is at 2:28, the shortest in years, and some games have no challenges. It has largely reduced the nasty Offside reviews in super slo-mo after a goal and goalie interferences. In short, if its not important and crystal clear enough- it isn't being challenged. How about something similar in the NFL? And, I'm not looking for football is different than hockey. Honestly, Do you think it has potential to solve some issues? I do! Now I'm old enough to remember the Mike Renfro non-catch for the Oilers against the Steelers in the championship game. This would be an example of a scoring play well worth the challenge and end result. Given the score and situation, we can all come up with dozens of plays that were worth a challenge and perhaps the consequences perhaps a 5 yard pen and loss of TO, 10 yard pen, 15 yards , etc. (this can be worked out easily enough). What I see and hear is "we just want to get it right" . Well excuse me, but does anybody really see that things are better. We have review and challenges that everyone in the world can see and still get it wrong. Furthermore, I'm sick of the first quarter 4 yard out pass for a first down and review (sarcasm). If its crystal clear and worth it, then go for it and suffer the consequences, if not, let's not interrupt the flow of the game. Could the call in the Saints/Rams game have been corrected? Sure, I don't see why not, and these are the ones that really matter. NFL football was better when you had to overcome some of the minute in game calls, and you just played on. An example might go something like this. You are called for lining up Offside on third down, it keeps a drive going in the second quarter, you have a 50/50 chance of being correct from your video guy upstairs. Is it worth it? Or, is it damn, it went against us , the refs aren't always right. Play on. My personal caveat is, I don't want a team to get screwed when it really matters, like Mike Renfro, and the Saints. And, they wouldn't. Why shouldn't it cost you to challenge the officiating? Let's improve the flow of the game, and reduce the number of frivolous challenges.

Can he return to NE? If so, I will vomit in my mouth.