GunnerBill

$22m is the right number. What I am saying is that $9m of that $22m is already baked in. He costs that if he plays. He costs that if he doesn't. So starting from "at the moment we have $31m of space in 2024 and cutting Diggs would eat $22m of that" is wrong. It would eat $13m of that. Because the other $9m is already accounted for in 2025 before you work out the cap space figure.

I just watched some of the video and they say a lot of things that are not actually correct. I question whether they all understand the cap as well as they give the impression they do. For example the Diggs conversation. They say "well if we traded him after June 1 this year sure it opens up $19m in 2024 space but it eats up $22m of our $31m of current cap space for 2025. WRONG. The $31m already accounts for $9m of what would be the $22m total dead money because that is guaranteed money that accounts on the cap in 2025 whatever happens. The additonal $13m would accelerate to the 2025 cap if we traded him post 1 June this year. I don't think the difference affects the decision around whether you trade him or not particularly. But it is just an example of where these guys speak with authority and fans are taking them as gospel and not everything they are saying is accurate. There were a couple of others in the 25 mins I listened to but that one stood out. They consistently make the mistake of thinking all dead cap money is new money you are adding onto cap hits and some of that money is already baked in.

And even on this roster Matt Milano says hi.

I think there is a good chance he is WR6 and will be there. Looks like based on Senior Bowl chatter most teams still have Coleman as a top 25 player. So the top 3, Coleman, Thomas is likely the first 5 off the board. I also think there is a chance no more than 4 have gone when we pick.

A. The NFL is a money making machine. Boards won't need to cut an individual player to make profits that secure their bonuses; and B. Even if that were not the case the current model already treats the players like pawns in the game, especially compared to sports with fully guaranteed contracts. The corporate machine already doesn't care.

I have seen it happen in soccer to an extent. The local rich guy done good is priced out by the billionaire and then the billionaire is priced out by the conglomerate. It is the inveitable result of capitalism. Sports franchises retain their value better than almost any other asset.

Agree with all this except I am higher on Allen and McDermott's chances than you.

They looked great against Skylar. The offense and special teams kept putting them in holes. Skylar had two drives over 30 yards all game.

100% agree. And also while I know not everyone here shares this opinion because he once beat the Chiefs in the playoffs I am not a Zac Taylor guy. I trust Burrow. I just don't trust the organisation around him.

Yea I don't know that I think he does dominate against man. Or at least not consistently enough. I think the Bills need a separator personally and while Coleman has a skill set it isn't that. I like him somewhere where they already had that quick separator type. I think he'd be a good fit with say Olave or Wilson opposite him for the Saints or Jets.

I'd say he is a smoother mover than Gabe as well. I think Legette will run faster than 4.5 but his 20 split will be of interest. Because I agree he is fast but isn't sudden and has to get into his stride to really see the speed.

I like Baker but agree not as a #1. He doesn't have the speed or explosion to win vertically IMO. I do think he is a good route runner though and can be a good intermediate receiver. Of the non-consensus top 10 or 12 guys I habe watched (and that isn't all of them) he is the guy I am most impressed with. Think his understanding of the game and defensive coverages is pretty advanced. Agree Keon doesn't separate. I am all over the map on him. When he is good he is very, very, good. You watch the Clemson film, the LSU film, the Michigan game from last year and you are like "slam dunk 1st round player, possible top 10." And then you watch the Florida game or the Boston College game or Ohio State from last year and you'd struggle to give him a day 2 grade. I have moved him up and down my board more than any player in this class so far. I am settling on he isn't a 1st round grade but he might be upper second. I have stopped watching him now. I will come back in the last week or so before the draft when I have taken some distance.

Pay no attention to height weight until the combine. It's a total lying game.

I have those 5: 1 Legette 2 Franklin 3 Thomas 4 Mitchell 5 Worthy I agree to an extent on Thomas. I think he is a total one trick pony. But at that trick I think he is unguardable.

It was Aaron Schatz. And yea it happens every year now with MVP. The groupthink makes the vote itself a foregone conclusion.

Agreed.

I agree with you re. the type Beane goes for. I am not sure Mitchell is going to run that fast though. He certainly doesn't look that fast on tape. I see him more as a high 4.4s guy. I love Mitchell's hands. But otherwise I think he is a guy who is good at most things without a single exceptional trait. I am with DC Orange he is kind of a middle of round 2 guy to me.

Simple, there aren't.

I think he is just a tick below Donald and Jones. I think he was better than Q this past year, don't see any reason why he can't be better again. I think he is on that level. Donald and Jones remain a cut above, sure.

He is a top player.

Look at the underlying metrics in terms of pass rush win rate and pressures. If anything it was an anomoly that the sacks didn't come sooner. Ed's a top player. Zero doubt about it.

Oliver is not a bad contract. That is insane.

I mean the Ravens ran a three tight end offense in Lamar's first MVP season.....

Not quite. But we did have lots of "ignore your eyes and look at these stats that prove that Tyrod is a top 10 Quarterback."

Yea if the draft fell like that I'd be pretty satisfied I think.