Dan

Exactly. Stopping the run isn't so much an issue. It's stopping a crossing route. Or a 3rd and 7, line up 10-15 yards off the line, let the WR catch the ball and tackle him after 10yds. Why with all these DB we can't play good press coverage is beyond rediculous.

What gets me is that you watch most other teams play and you see guys running all around, diving at the ball and hitting players. The WRs and RBs always look like they're running full speed. But watch the Bills lately.... if there's a tipped ball; none of the Bills players dive for it. The WRs seem to be jogging through their routes, no running. Half the tackles on defense, they're just chasing the guy out of bounds. There's just no fire. That game today looked like it was all but a walk through. Just sad really. You wait all week to see a good game and all you get is a half-hearted attempt by the players. There was once a thread about players that read this board. I wonder if any actually did, would they even care when they see a thread like this? Or would they react the same way they seem to do on the field and just give up reading after the first post? It's just sad.

All I hear is 2 old men rambling on about something while a game is being played. They have become the worst announcing crew in sports.

I don't need no stats to know we suck.

Are you suggesting the Dline play Oline and the Oline playing on the Dline? Cause I like it.

Herm has Thigpen and ??? Lewis has Palmer and Chad and Housyermama.

The way this team shows up for big games... I expect nothing less than all the players to drop to the ground and assume the fetal position on the opening kickoff of that game.

Yeah. Why not get the tie and try your luck in OT? I guess when you're 1-7 wins and loses don't matter.

Perhaps. But, today, the Bills certainly lacked heart. They looked apathetic at best. It's rare to see a team look so defeated from the 1st series on but this team looks completely demoralized playing against the Pats*.

What he said.

This is the problem, IMO. Everyone knows Wilfork is great at stopping the run, 2nd only to his ability to put elbows into guys knees and heads. So, what do we do... continually run right at him. Same thing last week with the Jets NT. Then to top it off, they completely abandon the run and try to put the game on the shoulders of a 2nd year QB. Then they completely abandon any attempts at passes down the field, so the entire defense is within 20 yards of the LOS. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. It doesn't help that every week they've got a different starting line, of course. It seems so simple, yet they're so unwilling to fix it.

Seems like the Jets did that to our defense just last week. I guess it happens quite frequently.

Hamdan Rocks!

And rather than show some fire and kick his ass, the Bills all walked over and apologized to Wilfork for making him hurt his elbow.

I'd say that about sums it up. These guys have no fire. No spirit. And no will to play hard. Gutless is how they looked to me. If they had have the desire to win as us fans watching the game, it wouldn't be so bad. But, once again, we have a huge game, in the division, could be in 1st place or 4th place at the end of the day, against a team you haven't beaten in 5 years - and what do they do? They lay a huge egg as the seemed more interested in getting some lobster chowder after the game than they did playing. In essence, cream puffy are how they played.

Yet its OK to throw Hardy, Ellis, and Poz under the bus? Double standard much. Look, we all want Trent to do well, but facts are facts. And the fact is, for the 3rd week in a row, he's played very below average.

No. It was a very apathetic game from the Bills. They just looked like they could care less to win the game. This was one of the few game I got up mid-3rd quarter and started picking up. No sense watching such a gutless effort.

I knew Trent was going to have his good games and his bad games this year, but I hate to say it... he's on the cusp of having more bad than good though. 3rd week in a row he's looked unsettled, holding the ball too long, and missing receivers - not to mention the interceptions. At least he didn't fumble the ball. You can't have a run game when you don't even try to run the ball. The Bills looked defeated from the first drive on. Does this team ever play with intensity? I think this pissed me off the most. The Pats* and their fans seemed to be in cruise control and we were completely unable to do anything about it. It's almost as though they walk into that stadium ready to get back o nthe plane and leave. Just horrendous to see such a nonchalant, heartless performance.

Just reviewed the kick.... it did indeed hit a Bills player first. Looked like #37. But it hit his the back of his hand as he we going down to block Bruschi. Story of the game I guess.

Fuggin Awesome! Questionale call and no damn official review!

We all know the Bills gave up today. My only question... when? Was it on the first drive of the game? Or was it on the plane trip over?

Second week in a row the Bills D has let the entire 4th quarter go on a single drive that they HAD to get a quick stop. Great.

I can't in any way see this as a "fear" of something that may happen. It's almost a foregone conclusion that the Refs will at one or more points during the game make a call, or non call, that will be favorable to the Pats*. It happens almost every Sunday.

Could part of the running game and offensive problem as a whole be that we haven't had any consistency on the Offensive line? Have we played more than 2 consecutive games with the same 5 starters on the Oline? When is that ever a good thing?

Well crapity crap crap.