Kirby Jackson

Lol, that is literally what you quoted… It was a post about WR contracts climbing…

This isn’t slowing either. Chase MAY reset the market.

Unless I’m really dumb, I don’t think that this is difficult to answer. You just keep redoing Josh’s contract whenever you need to. Just kick the can down the road for as long as you need to.

I think they eventually called them co-offensive coordinators. Ensminger was Coach O’s guy. He was an experienced vet. Brady was basically boy genius. Brady walked on water that year.

Kind of, but he ABSOLUTELY was the one running the offense. Ensminger was technically the OC in title but Brady ran the offense. It was like a Reid/Bieniemy situation with Ensminger as Bieniemy and Brady as Reid. Brady was an offensive coach under Sean Payton prior. If you could imagine, in Louisiana, that meant a lot. Sean Payton is one of the greatest offensive minds of all-time. Brady was like 26 at the time.

I’m an Ohio State fan. I’ve seen as much, or more of Curtis Samuel than anyone on the board. I like the player a lot. He’s a poor man’s Deebo. They have spent the last few years trying to find that role with McKenzie and Harty. Samuel is an upgrade on both of them. He’s a nice weapon and good with the ball in his hands. He’s not an X. He never has been. That doesn’t mean that he won’t help the team. He just isn’t that boundary guy. Shakir will outperform his fantasy projections. He’s now ranked between the 55th & 60th pick. I think that he will be closer to where Lockett was last year (79/894/5). I am pounding the over numbers on him early in the year. I’ll make money while he’s being undervalued. Even still, I do not see him ever as the number 1. I think that he could go on to have Lockett’s career and he will be a great fit if so. I am high on Kincaid. He has Pro Bowl upside. He could be 1,000 yard guy. He will be the top receiving threat. He’s a top 7 or so TE going into the season IMO. He has top 3 potential. Hopefully, he continues to draw mismatches. If teams view him as the top receiving threat, he will see his fair share of CBs. That’s a tough spot for any TE. I like Brady a lot. If you go back through this board, you’ll see that I wanted him running the offense in 2019 when he was like 28 years old. I lived in Louisiana at the time and watched him masterfully craft that LSU offense. We need to remember though that, while the scheme was brilliant, he had Burrow, Chase, Jefferson, CEH and Marshall. That’s 4 firsts and a 2nd. The talent was outstanding. He doesn’t have that now.

I agree that it wouldn’t have been easy. It was the lack of prioritizing it that rubs me the wrong way. You could have drafted a different safety, DT, etc.. Those positions aren’t as important. The Nukua and Shorter examples makes sense here. It didn’t matter if the Bills got a number 1 as a rookie or a bust that never played a snap. They had to take a swing. I agree that they will get a number 1 in the offseason. Higgins makes a lot of sense. That extra 2nd gives them some firepower should McMillan or Burden fall a little. They could also use that extra 2nd to trade for a guy that’s ready to get paid (Olave, Wilson, Pickens). There are some avenues to get a 1. I just can’t fathom how they let this offseason go by without more of an effort. They have Josh Allen in his prime.

You’re missing the point. The Bills didn’t need to find guys to be 5th on their depth chart. They needed to find a guy at the top. Let me say it differently, “they would have been better of drafting Justin Shorter in the 5th than signing MVS.” While Shorter was a long shot to be a number 1, he has better odds of it than MVS who has proven that he can’t play. If Shorter turns out to be Shorter, you sign MVS, Claypool, Hollins or whatever scrub you want that’s left over to be your 5th. You hope that you draft Puka Nacua and not Justin Shorter. When you are missing a number 1 WR, one of the 3 most important positions in football, you need to make way more of an effort to find one (even if that results in drafting a guy like Shorter and cutting him). You are no worse off because there are scrub vets all over the street and practice squads that you can add if that guy fails. Hope that clears it up.

Unequivocally, yes. Signing washed up, scrub vets, is a WAY worse idea than drafting guys that were available a round or 2 after where they should have been picked because of the depth of the position in the draft. McMillan/Baker/Walker/Cowing/Thrash >>>>>>> scrub vets

I’m sorry, if you think that anyone believes Mack will get more targets than Coleman. No one believes that. What some of us are bothered by, is that there was a scenario, that the Bills could go into this year with Mack Hollins and their top pick, neck and neck. FWIW, on the “rookies earn it part” the Bills had 2 rookies last year that were on top of their positions on the depth chart. That’s just BS. This isn’t high school. You don’t make “rookies earn it.” You play the best players on the team. You let your top 2 WRs go. You entered a historically great WR draft and left with one guy battling for the 3rd spot on one of the worst WR depth charts in the NFL. That’s almost not possible. Whoever the WR that they picked should have walked across the stage, shook Goodell’s hand, and been the best outside receiver on the team. They should have taken at least one more guy as well. That guy (Javon Baker for example) should also be playing ahead of guys like Hollins/Claypool/MVS/Isabella/Hamler/Shavers. The fact that the Bills let it get to a point where, 3 days before the start of the season, Mack Hollins is a viable option, is the failure. No one believes that Hamlin will play ahead of Bishop all year either. That is just this way for now because Bishop missed a lot of camp.

I liked the Samuel addition. I’m on record as saying that they either had to trade for Ayiuk, Higgins, etc.., trade up to draft 1 of the Big 3 or take AT LEAST 2 of the top 10-15 WRs (Coleman MAY have been 1 but had him near 15). They needed a number 1. That was clear as day. Those were the avenues to get 1. They had to get a proven star, 1 of the Big 3, or 2 bites at the apple (McConkey and Mitchell for example). Taking a raw WR, after trading back twice, doesn’t do much to address your biggest hole. I don’t blame the players for not being good enough. I blame the organization for letting it get here.

No one sees that. What we see is Mack Hollins’ spot on the depth chart and ask, “how the hell is that possible in 2024? How can you have Mack Hollins as a guy playing snaps with Josh Allen as the QB?” That’s where the disconnect is!! It isn’t about Hollins playing 87% of the snaps. It’s about the Bills needing to play a scrub like Hollins at all because they neglected the 2nd (or 3rd) most important position in football.

Spot on

Man, you STILL don’t get it. The fact that Hollins and Coleman are COMPETING is the failure. You could NOT use your first draft pick on a guy that isn’t light years ahead of that scrub. The Bills own depth chart says that’s the case. You’re just referencing ESPN and CBS to fit your narrative. The reality is that they are splitting time. And yes, Hollins is a scrub. You could insert 50 guys from practice squads and get equal production with equal opportunity. He’s just a guy. He’s Sherfield. He’s Crowder. He’s McKenzie. He’s Hodgins. What’s dramatic about trading back? They traded back twice. That’s 100% true. Spinning it any other way to fit a narrative is disingenuous and just false. They were desperate for a WR and said, “I’ll take my chances moving back a few slots (twice).” Clearly you don’t do that if you love a guy. There is nothing dramatic about it. That’s what happened. On Keon’s camp, slow down. He was okay. They were talking about it a lot on WGR lately. Today they said, he had minimal to no separation all of camp. He made some big plays. That’s what happened. Let’s not just pick and choose the good to fit our narrative. Let’s live in reality. It was up and down (which was to be expected). You’re misleading everyone with this “elite camp” nonsense. They were literally talking about his lack of separation on the extra point show today. I’m not trying to pick on you but I’m tired of the hyperbole on here (good and bad). We literally are lying to ourselves to create false narratives to make us feel better about things. This place is way better in reality. The Bills have an elite QB. They’re very good at corner and TE. The OL & DL look to be fine. The LBs and RBs have some ability. The WRs have some role players but are a bottom 3 group. That’s okay. We don’t need to pretend things are different than they are.

The Bills have a bottom 3 WR room. There is no reason to believe a team in that state is playing scrubs like Hollins. Yes, he’s a scrub. Him playing isn’t something that we should be celebrating. He’s been in the league for a while and never been any good. That speaks to the quality of the WR room. Other teams are laughing at that. The Bills aren’t the Bears or the Dolphins or the Texans where they can have good guys sitting behind studs. The Bills WRs are not good compared to their peers. They cannot have their 1st pick behind Mack Hollins. If that was ever their intent, everyone should be fired. That’s what they said on their own depth chart, not whatever ESPN is guessing. The Bills didn’t value the position. They traded down twice and took the 8th or 9th WR (I don’t remember which). He was up and down all offseason. Everything on his scouting report, good and bad, has held true through camp. The Bills didn’t have the luxury of a project that will open behind Hollins. They needed an immediate contributor. Let’s just hope that they don’t waste a season in the middle of Josh’s prime…

Fair I believe that they knew Coleman was a high ceiling, low floor guy. I don’t believe that they thought he would open the year behind Hollins. That just isn’t logical. It’s possible that they thought other rookies may start faster (McConkey for example) but over time Coleman would pass them. That I’ll buy. I just don’t think that they’d take a guy, as desperate as they were, that would open up behind a journeyman.

No reason to believe that Diggs didn’t ask for a trade. The Bills weren’t dying to take on that dead cap hit. Whatever, we move on…

100% agree. I do stand by my point though, that a wr starved team, didn’t use their 1st draft pick on a guy that they expected to open the season behind Mack Hollins on the depth chart. That’s unquestionably a fail (at this point).

Upon further, further review: https://www.buffalobills.com/team/depth-chart

I think that it depends how we define “breakout.” I pulled up a couple of fantasy cheat sheets. One projects him at 55 and the other at 60: https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/rankings/wr-cheatsheets.php https://www.espn.com/fantasy/football/story/_/page/FFPreseasonRank24WRPPR/nfl-fantasy-football-draft-rankings-2024-wr-wide-receiver-ppr Do I think that he finishes higher than that? Yes, of course because of the opportunity. He will see some volume and has been very efficient on limited targets. Tyler Lockett finished 35th last year with 79/894/5. That feels realistic. I think he could elevate to that level and even to the Stevie Johnson level. Right now, Shakir is viewed as a low end number 2. It’s realistic, imo that he becomes a quality number 2 by the end of the year. The Bills still have a glaring hole at the top of the depth chart (unless Coleman unexpectedly becomes that guy). Shakir, Samuel and Coleman can be strong role players moving forward. The Bills need the 3 of them to combine for 2400 receiving yards. That leaves 1600-1800 for everyone else.

Mitch Please! School of Hard Knox

So you googled his stats? You do realize that he was an in the box safety primarily, correct? My brother in Christ, Roman Harper’s best season was not in Carolina. Please, I’m begging you. This isn’t helping your point. If you want to talk Coleman or Poyer, sure. They both thrived under McDermott. Harper was a pro bowl safety and Super Bowl Champ in the same year. Harper had a 6(ish) year run in New Orleans where he was one of the best safeties in football. He went to Carolina when he was washed.

Eagles, Bears and 49ers followed by Miami for me

Lol, Roman Harper didn’t have his best year in Carolina 😂😂. He went to the Pro Bowl and won the Super Bowl in the same year. Roman Harper’s best years were in New Orleans. This is like saying Jimmy Graham will be remembered for his time in Green Bay. I understand that he’s trying to make a point. Adding in things that aren’t true though to “strengthen that point” doesn’t work. Also, who is questioning if McDermott can develop DBs? That’s not a thing. Everyone knows that’s his strength.

Welp, so far so good for McMillan 🤯