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Or not.

Start with this...Linescores. Then add countless newspaper articles to get the rosters for each game. That information is in my archives, but not online.

But he may not be responsible for the scoring. If the defense intercepts the ball and gives the offense great field position, should the quarterback be credited with the "win?" How about a special teams kick return that puts them deep in opposing territory? The QB gains minimal yards and the field goal kicker wins the game. The quarterback gets the credit? There are too many scenarios that are out of the QBs control or influence to give him credit for the wins. It is a meaningless statistic because you remove all context.

Criteria: -Since 1950 -11038 NFL and AFL games played (not including ties) -Only 20 or more "comeback wins" using the 4th quarter "comeback win" method -Not just HOFers -Nothing from 2008 Dan Marino 37 (16 Away, 21 Home) Johnny Unitas 34 (14 Away, 20 Home) John Elway 33 (12 Away , 21 Home) Joe Montana 31 (22 Away, 8 Home, 1 Neutral) Vinny Testaverde 30 (18 Away, 12 Home) Warren Moon 28 (12 Away, 16 Home) Fran Tarkenton 28 (15 Away, 13 Home) Drew Bledsoe 27 (13 Away, 14 Home) Brett Favre 27 (6 Away, 21 Home) Peyton Manning 24 (13 Away, 11 Home) Dave Krieg 24 (8 Away, 16 Home) Jim Kelly 23 (11 Away, 12 Home) Dan Fouts 23 (12 Away, 11 Home) Randall Cunningham 22 (14 Away, 8 Home) Joe Theismann 21 (8 Away, 12 Home, 1 Neutral) Steve Bartkowski 21 (11 Away, 10 Home) Jake Plummer 21 (10 Away , 11 Home) Joe Ferguson 20 (11 Away, 9 Home) Tom Brady 20 (11 Away, 8 Home, 1 Neutral)

This is a sore subject for anyone who regularly visits the PFRA forum. The problem with this is the criteria used to determine a "comeback win." If you use the entire fourth quarter, the analysis is pretty much useless. You also never see the person doing the analysis actually take all aspects of the game into account with their analysis. How about the defense? How about special teams? How about the running game? The quarterback has little to do with this, but gets the credit for the "comeback win." At least this author talks a little about the coaching, which is more than you usually see with these types of articles. Regardless, I put no weight into any analysis that uses the entire fourth quarter as its criteria for a "comeback win."

Graham lost three championship games. Obviously, he couldn't get it done.

Graham is overrated.

This is just my humble opinion, but if we need to factor in coaching changes in order to beat the Raiders, the Bills have not progressed as much from previous years as we had thought.

...but I married a young hottie.

From what I hear, it will be the '90 Bills. I do not know when it will air or who will be involved.

HFBD, Mrs. Ball. Sticking with Shere-o-beer for that long automatically qualifies you for sainthood.

I know that fans want more coverage for their team, but the problem is that the coverage we get is pretty bad. I am a football historian. As a result, I am constantly looking through old newspapers for game accounts and coverage of the teams for the books and articles I write. There is just no comparison. The quality was far superior. Don't get me wrong. There are a few quality beat reporters out there, but they are becoming more rare. I am not sure if I can put my finger on a single reason for this.

Can't the same be said for the offense?

Almost. Buffalo was never an official member of the APFA until 1921 (which is a departure from the article). Rochester, however, was a member in 1920. Tonawanda had a team in 1921.

The Jeffersons did not play in a league. There were regional rivalries. For example, Rochester would play the Buffalo area teams (Buffalo, Tonawanda, etc) for regional titles, but it was nothing more than bragging rights. As far as actual leagues, there were a few attempts, but none lasted. The APFA/NFL was the only one that lasted, and it started in 1920. BTW, the Pro Football Archives site is done by one of the guys who wrote the ESPN Pro Football Encyclopedia: Tod Maher. He gathered information from several pre-NFL historians. Roy Sye did a lot of work on the Indiana, Illinois and Ohio teams. I did the WNY stuff. The only WNY stuff I have that he does not is the early Rochester Jeffersons stuff. I found games for 1902 and 1903. There is a rumor that they were originally formed in 1898, but I have not found concrete evidence if it yet. If that is true and they played continuously from 1898 through 1920, then they would be the oldest, continuously operating franchise that became a founding member of the NFL.

The channel after 211.

August 20, 1920 saw the birth of what became the National Football League. Below is a little light reading on the occasion. PFRA Linky

This is the same poll that had Peyton Manning rated ahead of Johnny Unitas. We are obviously not dealing with Mensa candidates here.

HBD Sweetie!!

Damn, I would have thought Eryn was much older. HFBD, all!!

He/she didn't say what year.

HFBD!!

If that happens, maybe we can see if Peyton Manning is willing to play for the fish.

I am not as concerned with timestamps, but opening the articles in a new window would be nice. It's not a deal-breaker, but a convenience.

I think that Tags is going to have to wait another few years. It looks like Goodell needed to clean up some stuff from Tags' administration, so they are waiting to see how much needs to be done. He is still a lock to get in as all commissioners are guaranteed induction, but they will make him wait a little longer.