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Yikes.

Honestly - thats fair. I just don't see superstar when I watch him play.

He was a 3 and out artistE in that game against NE. Positively Tyrod-like I'd rather have Dalton or Flacco, but thats me.

Tyrod put up a better line with Zay Jones, Shady, Dawkins/MILLS!, Clay, and what... thompson and a couple games from mathews and benjamin? Also with a terrible o-coordinator.

Plays like Tyrod Taylor with more turnovers. They've invested in playmakers - something we never did under Tyrod - and his numbers don't show any real improvement. They have built a really good offensive line - and still no real breakout. They rolled an offense with Walker, Decker, Matthews, Davis, Murray, and Henry. They have Lewan Conklin and Kline in a strong o-line... And he went for 3200 yards 13 TDs and 15 INTs. I think some of that can be attributed to playing under Mularkey in a conservative offense, so we'll see if he can improve under Vrabel and the Coordinator they pulled from the Rams. He seems to struggle with rhythm passing, and his timing in general just looked off whenever I watched him. Same went for Wentz in 2016, and he looked vastly improved in 2017, so it's certainly possible he can improve.

Looks like a decent spot for Dave Toub next season

If the Mike Rodak of KC says its true - it must be true.

Running backs always a tough one to want to invest that much draft capital in. They just get injured soooo often. Whether they're actual games lost, or ineffectiveness due to playing with a lingering injury - it just seems like they're always banged up.

How much better is he than the 3 next RBs off the board?

ah yea - i get it now. yeah. Cog was the big loss here talent wise. Wood was a locker room guy, but I don't think he was ever a truly elite center. And it sounds like Glenn was more of a locker room issue than locker room leader.

huh?

I mean - lets not forget cordy glenn was paid like a pro bowler and missed a ton of time the last 2 years. Was his ankle just better now? I doubt it.

Could've been 2 weeks after the draft..?

We're missing our entire left side of the line... and the right side was really bad. Dawkins looked pretty good a year ago - but we only had 1 good guard and now he's gone. Going to be rough unless they hit on some picks.

Probably listened to his agent in saying - you aren't going to make more than this on the open market, because of who you are.

When he was benched for cousins, he needed to be released. They barely let him practice because of the injury money. Goes a long way to ruining someones development when they're basically banished from practice/film study and unable to be released until he can pass a physical a season later. I guess? Jackson is a far more dynamic running threat than griffin. In his last 2 years of college griffin had about 1200 yards rushing and 18 TDs. Jackson had about 3000 yards rushing and 39 TDs in his last 2 years. Jackson needs called runs to be really dangerous though. You don't run for 3000 yards on scrambles.

I mean - if he truly was that bad, maybe he could've dragged us down into the bottom of the league and figured out a way to get Wentz or Winston or something.

I guess... Going into 2013 everyone thought they had a top 5 QB. I don't think anyone ever said that about Tyrod Taylor.

Read this... https://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/1/9232961/robert-griffin-iii-washington-jay-gruden-dan-snyder-mike-shanahan-injury-concussion and tell me that the Redskins shouldn't shoulder some of the blame.

Honestly though - his career was ruined by injuries, and the whole kirk cousins situation. They decided they wanted to go Cousins - whatever that's fine. But they picked up the 5th year option so he had to sit out his 4th year as no one wanted him with an injury/release guaranteed extra year, and they wouldn't let him play. Not only that - but you're guaranteed to NOT get that 5th year money as they'll just release you with no $$. I mean, you want to try and learn - be a good teammate so you can catch on somewhere else the next year. But it was a disaster of a situation for him, and you can only pretend you're happy when in reality you're benched, and they aren't even considering you as an option. He essentially had to ride the pine for money he was basically already owed. He didn't get a chance to catch on somewhere else, and his 5th year situation was held hostage. I'd have been pissed off too. He had some absolutely insane game lines. 14/15 for 200 and 4 TDs with 84 on the ground 19-27 for 304 4 TDs on MNF 17-22 for 182 1 TD and 138(!) on the ground with 2 more TDs Also he was Offensive rookie of the year, All-rookie team, pro bowler, 3rd highest QB rating, top 5 in YPA, APYA, comp%, Int%, and had 3 Comebacks For 1 year - he was pretty outstanding....

Fact - he's the last QB to lead a browns team to a win.

SMOKESCREEEEEEN

True - but if it goes allen, darnold, rosen - and those 3 are set that they want their QBs. Browns will be tough to talk out of Barkley, as they think it will help them be an insant contender. Then you have Denver. Denver would be the team IMO most likely to deal within the top 5.

I don't think the broncos would go QB at 5. The 4th best QB or a top dog pass rusher? Or even trading down to try and address both pass rush and pass protection.

Since the Giants won't make a move until the draft, the best thing to do is just stay visibile with everyone in the top 10. If the Giants don't want to deal, or the guy you want is gone, I'm fairly certain they'll have a plan for that. You can't make someone trade with you