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That mark on Allen's nose, will it go when he hits a deep ball?

Dan fetes, 13wham Rochester apparently.

Yep. who suddenly GOT IT and erased their deficiencies?

I can see the accuracy issues. I know he scored high in the wonderlic test. I don't know how football intelligent he is, he seems more of an instinctive Tyrod/ Newton player to me than a manning/Brady type in terms of his football intelligence.. More athletic than cerebral on the field.

Fair point!

Yeah. Surely there will be one full game where he will click, wishful thinking but you would think it's possible.

There's an interesting thing with Mcdermott that somehow as a leader he listens. Not sure if players aired their thoughts but I think it's a good message, especially for allen. Best thing for Allen is that he can throw a few picks without being condemned. Not necessarily the best for the teams score but I think it's the best message for Allen's development to trust himself.

Mcdermott generally deals with stuff like that quite well.

I know what you are saying. Mike schopp too? I do think there needs to be people who will be somewhat 'provocative' in their opinions and they are entitled to them. I get more frustrated listening to John Murphy personally than schopp or Sullivan. I don't always want a positive spin put on bills talk.

Genuine question: how football smart do people think Allen is? Has he developed his reading of defenses?

I do agree with where your going in this. Allen separates himself from Tyrod with those comebacks. I really wanted to see one against the browns. I don't put the last drive on him so much actually. The rest of the game was the problem.

There is truth in his question.

I'm quite confident Allen doesn't have it. I'd like him to but don't think he has. Your talking like mcdermott and Beane have to be resigned to the fact that if Allen doesn't pan out they go - not necessarily. If they draft an insurance policy it would be an intelligent decision. Yes. But I want an elite QB.

The gm and coach are not going to want their careers to be defined by an inconsistent QB

Should there not be someone here waiting in the wings should he not show it? Are you saying he doesn't look as good as big Ben or rivers in their first two seasons? I agree in regards mariota/ tannehill etc

Just play along. Dont be a grouch. ?

Not scoring more than 14 points against a a badly coached team is the bigger failure I think. Look at the last offensive drive. They were held to 19 points. That's good enough to win. A team with Mayfield, Beckham, Landry and chubb can always lead scoring drives.

That's why we have to be careful to run the right guy out of town.

Offence is the problem, not defence.

4 coins to the left. 4 coins to the right. He has 8 games to show he is good enough to be the main guy without competition. If he doesn't Beane should be going to the casino with the coins.

Sure. Obviously mcdermott feels that way. I notice that he's not operating from the 'cutting guys who make mistakes' way of doing things though. He has demonstrated patience with Smith, Boho, tj yeldon, Hauschka etc. Its a different way of doing things to a belichek, zimmer etc. At 6-3 OK.

No not at all. Kickers miss kicks, Hauschka has been decent. The pressure is on though if he misses again as they've given him a vote of confidence. Probably audition kickers if he has a bad game. Having said that Lee Smith hasn't been cut yet.

By understanding defence he must therefore know some offence. He HAS to get involved. He's not stupid and he must be. It's possible theres a string of losses coming due to the performances this season but hopefully we are 7-3 Sunday evening. Lose against the fins and this board will EXPLODE.

You can't teach accuracy or instinct.

But your talking like they have to accept that he will get it. They don't have to accept that he will get it. You continually evaluate, that's what you do. They cannot be scared of their perception. Is it a difficult situation for Beane to draft another QB? Sure. There would be alot of questions. 'Josh has shown enough growth'. No, not for me. But what I think won't ultimately matter. Let's say Beane thinks that Allen may not be the guy - he will be bringing someone in to compete. It depends on whether the pegulas want to define beanes career by Allen. In the same way that Allen should get more time, should Beane not be allowed to miss on a project QB?