Jauronimo

That is all you have to say for yourself? You post another bull#### article from a bull#### source which gets all the facts wrong and have your argument entirely blown up and you accuse me of twisting? What part of presenting the facts do you consider twisting? Your credibility is lower than Julie Kelly's. Have an ounce of integrity and own it.

Why are you citing legislation from a picture that was taken with a flip phone? A .gov source would be appreciated.

Break it down for me. What is the burden for "inciting an insurrection"? He is caught on video saying "we need to enter the capitol" the night before the event. Does that qualify? At what point is his speech no longer covered under 1A? Has anyone been charged for inciting insurrection in this ordeal? There's a ton of videos of unhinged nutjobs screaming about how they're going inside to get AOC and Pelosi. I haven't heard of those more pointed threats being prosecuted. "Differences in justice" is what this whole theory hinges on, remember. Not to be confused with actual evidence of federal agency involvement. Make your argument for how he incited an insurrection and lay out what the charges would be if wasn't a fed. EDIT: I just did a keyword search on the page listing all charged that day for "incite" and "inciting" and "insurrection" and came up with no results. Unless the cases citing accompanying documents, of which there are only 78, host a treasure trove of inciting insurrection charges then it appears no one has been charged with this offense. "Assault" returned hundreds of hits. "Deadly or dangerous weapon" returned 125 hits. "Restricted building" returned 1,141 hits. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

https://news.yahoo.com/chris-worrell-makes-first-public-174007835.html Its really shocking to me that storied news sources like AmericanGreatness.com omitted some relevant details like : In fact AG misses his charges entirely as they go on to write: "Worrell never entered the Capitol building on January 6; he isn’t accused of committing a violent crime. But a D.C. judge overturned a Florida judge’s ruling to release Worrell pending further review of his case. He remains in jail." Pepper spraying police sounds like he was accused of a violent crime. What is going on at AmericanGreatness.com that they dropped the ball so badly? Maybe AG has some kind of slant? This Julie Kelly is looking about as credible as Charlie Kelly right now. 30 seconds of diligence is all that took to unravel your latest smoking gun. Do a little homework before you present the next article you find on LetsGoBrandon.org.

Be specific. Under the assumption of insurrection, who should be charged that wasn't charged and for what? I really don't have an answer for where freedom of speech ends and "move forward" and the like constitutes inciting a riot or insurrection. Someone cries federal conspiracy and false flag in this forum and everyone just goes with it. Question it and you get 10:1 replies. This is tedious.

Read it. Watched all the videos. Rebutted all your arguments about "differences in justice" with facts which you have made no effort to address. You prefer to handwave away your absence of facts as its the only thing you have to go on. Your entire argument rests on what didn't happen and you have made no attempt to answer that question for yourself. As it stands your position is FenceManBullwinkle, KhakiPants, and Ray Epps orchestrated what was a non-event, in your opinion, and were not charged so it must be a government conspiracy. Real lightning rod stuff here. You have zero honesty and its on full display.

Democrats learned nothing from 2016. One candidate talked about jobs and prosperity and the other people running were fielding questions about what advice to give an 8 year old who wants to come out to their classmates.

Ray Epps didn't remove any barriers according to the videos you posted. He also didnt enter the capitol building. So no, not the same. Not even close. According to you and basically only you, he ordered someone to remove the barriers. That individual, Ryan Samsel, disagrees and says a member of the Proud Boys actually encouraged him to storm the barrier. Maybe hes scared that Ray Epps the Western themed wedding venue kingpin has reach in prison will have him snuffed out if he rats? That would be a nice wrinkle to this never ending game of innuendo and baseless claims. As far as deflection, you just posted three straight whatabouts after your Ray Epps mastermind argument fell apart. The great thing about whatabouts is you have 800 more to play with before you'll have to concede. Yes, I'm the one twisting because the FBI isn't actively investigating, checks notes, removal of snow fencing and instead is going after people who assaulted law enforcement and illegally entered the capitol building.

Classic. So no more Ray Epps and we're on to whatabout CaptainSandalsAndSocks and the JeanShortsAvenger. The fun thing about this game is that you offer zero compelling proof that Ray Epps and others were working together, have ties to federal agencies, or anything concrete to back up this grand theory and when your arguments get knocked down you just move on to the next case. What charges should these individuals face for laws actually broken? Did they enter the capitol building? How many other people were charged for removing snow fence that day and are facing confinement at CIA black sites? So Kelley entered the Capitol building that day and is being charged like hundreds of other who did the same. Weird that there is no mention of hand signals in his charges. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2022/06/10/kelley-calls-arrest-raid-related-jan-6-insurrection-political-witch-hunt/7579837001/

The legal definition of insurrection leaves a lot to be interpreted as far as I can tell. I think a minority of the half wits there that day were organized and planned to do what they did. I do believe a significant number of people went to the Capitol that day with the intent and under the belief that they would change the outcome of the election. I don't have the answers as to how organized, how violent, or how armed people need to be to qualify as an "act or instance of revolt against an established government". Lets see what the investigation turns up and lets try people accordingly.

Is that a crime? C'mon man indeed. I don't know. Lets see what the committee returns. As I already stated, I don't think he masterminded anything and even if there is something there I doubt it can be proven. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/jan-6-ray-epps-evidence.html

I think people get charged on what is illegal and not what I personally believe should be illegal. So what offenses did he commit that day? Since this whole argument rests on the idea that he wasn't charged and therefore must be a Fed you could at least outline the offenses he should have been charged with. There is no direct evidence he has ties to federal agencies, there is no evidence of his role in any of the events of Jan 6, he was interviewed and subsequently removed from the FBI's most wanted list, he did not enter the Capitol building on that day, the guy he whispered something to is still in jail but backed up Epp's version of what they talked about... I'm trying to get on board here but I read everything posted and followed the bread crumbs and I don't see anything of substance. Your smoking gun is that the day before Jan 6th he said they need to enter the capitol building and that SHOULD be illegal? I don't know where 1A falls out on that but doesn't seem like much to go on.

Did Epps misdemeanor parade near or in the capitol? Most of the charges I have seen were for people who entered the capitol. Your whole argument rides on the idea that Epps did not get charged so therefore hes a Fed since there is no direct evidence hes a Fed. I dont think its asking too much that you outline what charges other people have faced for being near a barrier and instructing people to enter the capitol 24 hours before.

What were others charged with for committing the offenses Ray committed? What were Ray's offenses that day?

I'm sure you would hate to speculate as evidenced by how you couldn't even finish that sentence without adding to the pile.

Honestly, its pretty sad reading about how he bet his marriage on crypto currency in addition to half his net-worth.

Well Disney isn't ISO2022 compliant so of course its down.

What should he have been charged with if he were treated similarly to others?

Both guys have been interviewed by Feds and have the same account of what was said. Epps called the tip line after seeing he was on the FBI list and was subsequently interviewed. Samsel, the guy who assaulted a police officer, is facing charges. Why would he protect Epps? In other news, Samsel is developing quite the rack in prison: https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-breach/pa-man-accused-in-jan-6-attack-on-cop-who-suffered-a-concussion-demands-medical-treatment-for-a-condition-deemed-not-urgent-by-jail-doctor/

Why do ducks [self gratify] so much? They're all gonna go blind.

What did you deduce from this?

Nothing listed in that article represents a conservative view. He said "jet fuel can't melt steel beams"

J6 was 4 years in the making. It was the culmination of years of reckless behavior. From the get go he did everything he could to whip his followers into a frenzy. Lock her up, Fake News, embracing QAnon, and it all came home to roost when he spent weeks preparing his base for a "stolen" election before a single ballot was cast. I highly doubt Trump planned or orchestrated much of anything on J6 and even if he did I doubt it can be proven. Hes indirectly responsible and that won't hold up in court. There is definitely some level of political theater at play and the most serious of charges are unlikely to stick in my opinion. Examples will be made of a few instigators. That still doesn't make J6 a non-event, a witch hunt, or a form of political persecution as many are desperately claiming.

Skepticism is great and a necessary part of a functioning democracy. Assuming every mass act of violence or anything invoking white supremacy or fringe right wing organizations is a plot by the government to commit violence against its citizens to steal your freedoms is not skepticism. Its also not at all consistent with waiting for all the facts to come out. Knee jerk claims of false flag is a dangerous side effect of letting Alex Jones and the like into your home. Calling out the boy who cried false flag does not mean I accept all media at face value.

Since when is the Patriot Front some fearsome fighting force that will die before surrender? Your entire argument is semantics and rests on use of the term Nazi and baseless conclusions drawn from invocation of that term. This must be a false flag because real Nazis would go down fighting. Since when is the dastardly FBI in the habit of letting their many false flags get foiled by podunk local law enforcement?