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Gottlieb is a tool, and was clearly unprepared. Didn't think through the implications of his questions. He deserved everything he got.

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TMQ on ESPN has it right -- "Kick early, go for it late." In the first half, you get sure points when sure points are presented to you.

I would say the back-to-back 2-14 seasons were lower than today. Hank Bullough as head coach made everyone in a 500 mile radius of him -- fans, players, media -- absolutely miserable. The year was 1985. Bruce Mathison appeared in 10 games at QB, starting 7 of them, with a record was 1-6. He threw 4 TD passes, and 14 INTs. 8 fumbles / 6 lost. That's 4 TD passes to go with 20 turnovers. And let's not forget Vince Ferragamo: 1-8 as a starter. 5 TD, 17 INTs. These guys make Ryan Fitzpatrick look like Jim Kelly. The defense had a young Bruce Smith & Darryl Talley, plus Charles Romes, Smerlas and Haslett, but not much else. Probably because the D was on the field most of the game, they were blown out numerous times. The 1985 Bills were really, really, really bad. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1985.htm

Circle gets the square. +1

Kelsay must have some compromising photos of someone up there.

Easterbrook's email is TMQ_ESPN@yahoo.com. Let's supply him with a list of questions.

You got me. I should retitle the post "A low point in Bills Pass Rush history". Forgive me. Now then -- 4 guys rushing the passer, never getting near the QB, and all end up on their cans, with OLinemen all upright. Still shamefully bad. Also -- when they are on the field at full strength, the DLinemen consistently generate no pass rush whatsoever. That is a weakness.

Charlie Chan Gailey is making personnel adjustments, both in games and after games. That in itself is an improvement over the previous head coach.

JP ran for his life at Tulane, right? I don't think he ever had a good line in front of him, ever. His raw physical gifts were enough to overcome that in college, but not in the pros. If memory serves, I think Trent didn't have much of an O line to work with either at Stanford. NOTE TO TALENT EVALUATORS: success despite a bad O-line in college is not an indicator of NFL success. QBs look much better when they (a) have time to throw, and (b) have a feel for, and ability to sidestep oncoming pressure (like Aaron Rodgers in the Monday nighter against the Bears). IMO, you don't develop B without A... you can't develop pocket presence if you rarely have a pocket to be present in. JP and Trent's stints in Buffalo would likely have been longer if they had ever had time to throw. (I think RJ did have time, but was a knucklehead.) You get time to throw from (1) a good O-line and (2) playcalling that isn't predictable. Not saying our guys were starter quality NFL QBs... not by a longshot. But, coaching and front office have a lot to do with a QB's success. Is there an above average starter in the NFL with a weak offensive line?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010092603/2010/REG3/bills@patriots#tab:watch Roll to about the halfway point of the highlight package... just after Spiller's KR TD, you'll see Brady "scramble" for a drive-sustaining first down. Take a good look at the line on this play. 1) Check Maybin rushing on the right end. Yikes. 2) Now roll it back and watch again. As Brady starts to move to his right to run, notice the posture of the linemen. Except for the left tackle (who is dusting himself off after burying Maybin), all the Pats* O-Linemen are standing up. All of the Bills pash rushers are sprawled on the turf in a neat little pile. I can't recall ever seeing an entire line get so dominated on one play. <Deep, pained sigh.>

Perhaps the Browns (and really the entire city of Cleveland) has had it worse than Buffalo... but check this pseudo-scientific approach to fan pain, and see who's on top. (Note: it's from 2007.) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/070328 You could theoretically add the two recent MNF losses (to Cowboys and Pats*) as more minor soul-sucking moments as well.

Ya -- saw plenty of Campbell here. No one shed any tears in DC upon his departure.

Maybe we can find a little solace in this list: miami's Starting QBs since #13 of the quick release and loud whine: Jay Fiedler Damon Huard Ray Lucas Brian Griese AJ Feeley Sage Rosenfels Gus Frerotte Joey Harrington Daunte Culpepper Cleo Lemon Trent Green John Beck Chad Pennington Chad Henne I dunno about you guys, but that makes me feel just a little bit better.

So you live in Buffalo... and yet you wreck Buffalo, as well as the Bills fans who remain loyal to the team despite their lives taking them all over the country ... and you're a proud Bills fan? Or are you... Do you happen to own a pair of teal-green & orange Zubaz pants?

You wanna crown him? Go ahead and crown him! He is who we thought he was! (cue aneurysm)

We're talking about degrees of senility now? Dude, breathe in, now out. Repeat. I'm relatively new here too, but ya, I get it. Owner no care, etc.

We can empty the seats at the Ralph, for one... but the revenue sharing setup cushions that blow too. As long as Ralph is financially up year to year, he'll keep it as-is. I'm in the Northern VA area, and this place has done lots of hating on Redskins owner Dan Snyder over the last decade. Why? Because he wanted to win so badly (he's a lifelong passionate Skins fan), and was such a hands-on kind of guy, that he spent money like a sailor on leave, and pulled every lever he could to try to win. And he made lots and lots of mistakes, and wrecked a decade in DC (minus a few bright spots). He finally learned to focus his efforts on stuff he knows (making money, marketing, etc), and brought in football people to do football things. First he brought in his hero (Joe Gibbs) whom the game had passed by, then he brought in a GM and coach with proven track records of success, whose terms were clear: stay in the owner's box, Danny... just keep writing those checks. I would trade that kind of ownership (complete with the frustrating, tumultuous decade) for the current flavor in Buffalo, in a western New York minute (whatever that is). The Skins ownership is passionate about the team. The Bills ownership is far from it. Until chronic losing becomes an unacceptable problem at the top, said chronic losing will not stop.

at least make it a Zweigle's White Hot.

dying a slow death reading this thread. I need beer.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have our scapegoat. Where's the guy organizing the billboard campaigns?

Can this thread get any more depressing?

Run game, pass game, ouch! Need help dealing with the pain Pinto Ken: Lambeau!