Wayne Cubed

Dan Snyder taken over the 1st round! Grab them picks from DAN!

I appreciate your response but I'm not comparing the player or them as draft prospect. I'm comparing what was said about them coming out. It's easy to play that game. And Hockenson would be coming into an offense ranked 30th, so I'm not quite sure what you are getting at with that point. Look the point of this thread is that looking at TEs they don't particularly preform well in their rookie contracts, with some exceptions. It takes them a while to adjust to the NFL. A first round pick, especially at 9, you want to come in and have an instant impact. You get these players for 5 years on the cheap an you get elite production from them, hopefully. Sure, Hockeson is a safe pick but he probably won't light the league up next year. IMO, he's not the next Gronk. Is he a good TE, yes for sure and the Bills need that but the value for that isn't at 9 when there could be players that could come in and transform the team right away.

Nice work Bandito! Unfortunately I can see the Bills staring at the exact scenario you've laid out, minus Hockenson at 8. I think most people understand the positional value of TE and he better be the next Gronk to go at 8, he's not. Don't think the Bills select him at 9 either but I do see them trading out if this scenario happens.

Robert Foster in 3rd and McKenzie in 4th is nice too

Haha whoops, what can I say the guy likes what he likes.

In a draft where there aren't any QBs rated in the top 10 trading up sometimes becomes cheaper. Look at 2013 a weak QB class, Miami was able to move from 12 to 3 for their 2013 2nd rounder. That's nuts. Now their are elite defensive prospects so it'll probably be more than what Miami paid but maybe it turns out cheaper.

I get why some guys don't show up for voluntary workouts, they aren't being paid for them. They get their paychecks during the season and if they end up getting injured in voluntary workouts they end up potentially not getting those paychecks or missing out on part of their contract money. Saying that, you could still show up and at least make an appearance. Especially if you are a new guy and signed a massive contract with more guaranteed money.

Oliver I don't think it's going to happen though, he's going to go early.

Geez, could your man crush be more obvious for Hock... Anyways just for fun... What they thought of OJ Howard: Gil Brandt, Has Howard as the 13th best player in the draft. Todd McShay has Howard going #4 to the Jags. Ex-scout for several NFL teams Daniel Jeremiah ranks Alabama TE OJ Howard 7th best player in the draft, the safest pick and a top 10 pick. Ex-Buffalo Bill, ex-NFL scout NFL.com Analyst Bucky Brooks says "Howard is the most complete tight end prospect to enter the league in the past decade." Said he could go top ten. Walter Football's Charlie Campbell compares Alabama TE OJ Howard to Carolina Panthers TE Greg Olsen. CBS Sports Dane Brugler believes Alabama TE OJ Howard has a "complete tight end." Mel Kiper sent Alabama tight end OJ Howard to the Jets at No. 6 overall And one more for ya.. Mike Mayock, former scout, former NFLN Analyst draft guru and current Raiders GM has OJ Howard going #6 to the Jets See what I did there? You are putting far far too much stock in the media personalities opinion of Hockenson. And with all those lofty expectations, how was Howard preformed thus far? Well it's all ready been pointed out in this thread so, I'm sure you've seen. PFF had Howard rated as the worst performer of the entire 1st round in 2017. I get it, you are really banging the table for Hock, you've made ya mind up. I honestly don't care what all those people think of Hockenson, I've watched him and I've made my own mind up on him. The GMs for 32 teams have made up their own mind on him and he'll go where they think he should based on what they believe his value is.

"Crippled the franchise" "Mortgaged the future" And yet 3 years later the Bills broke a 17 year playoff drought. The exaggerations of what draft trades do to a franchise continue. For 14 years prior to the Watkins trade the Bills never made any sort of move... and yet those teams still lacked talent and couldn't get into the playoffs. Newsflash, poor drafting, poor player evaluations and bad coaching cripple franchises.

Yea, the whole pace and speed of the show changed last season. Everything just seemed to happen very fast and/or seemed forced. I get it though, the show is expensive to produce and they are trying to conclude it the best way they can without any real source material.

Yea it looks like something they were working on, with collapsing bridges.... Grey Worm was doing some inspecting too.

Ok, so according to Vladimir Furdik he kinda let slip that the battle of Winterfell is going to last nearly the entire 3rd episode. Almost a full hour he said. Took something like 55 days/nights to film. Wondering what the back and forth will be, besides obvious deaths of important characters.

Wow, is LabattBlue your real name?!?

Technically Euron and Cersei was paid for... he had to deliver the goods.

Should have also said not prostitution or paid for.

It's in fact the only non-insestial, rape-type sex since like Jon and Ygritte, I think.

It could be she didn't understand how the Night King was able to raise the dead. I'd believe that, I think, over the Night King just being able to raise the dead whenever he wants. Unless it's a case that he has to pass over the body or something?

Yea that would be the weird bit, I think they have to kill them for the night kind to make them into Wights.

I don't think that make sense at all, and would be very hard to explain away. Because if that is the case, how close does he have to be to reanimate them? And why wouldn't he just go around to graveyards raising all the dead?

You wouldn't think so, otherwise why wouldn't he just raise the dead everywhere

I could see that, they could go with a TE who serves as a FB in certain formations. They signed FIsher, who may be able to handle that?

Brings the average age of the Bills RBs down to exactly 30, I see what you doing there Beane ?

Also, the new Florence + the Machine song, which Podrick sings and then they play at the end of the episode, very very good.