Wayne Cubed

Ok, let's go with who's starting now. Is Ryan Mallet starting? Do you know that for sure? Is Matt Cassel starting? Do you know that for sure? Is Jimmy Garoppolo starting if Tom Brady isn't suspend? So that'll be one person. Tom Brady.

That's actually not what you said, you said: how many guys did we draft in that time that start in the NFL? success or not, these guys are the starting QB's for an NFL team I answered your question.

The Bills have drafted 4 players in that time that have started in the NFL(Todd Collins, JP Losman, Trent Edwards and EJ Manuel). What's your point? EDIT: You can almost make that 5, if you count Jeff Tuel.

So Ryan Mallett and Matt Cassel are now success stories? Why's that again? I see one player on that list that is a success story. Tom Brady.

Who the Patriots have drafted at QB since 1994: Rd # Player Name School 7 198 Jay Walker Howard 7 227 Michael Bishop Kansas State 6 199 Tom Brady Michigan 4 117 Rohan Davey Louisiana State 6 201 Kliff Kingsbury Texas Tech 7 230 Matt Cassel USC 3 94 Kevin O'Connell San Diego State 7 250 Zac Robinson Oklahoma State 3 74 Ryan Mallett Arkansas 2 62 Jimmy Garoppolo Eastern Illinois The odds of Jimmy Garoppolo turning into anything are slim. It's highly unlikely he's the next Tom Brady. The Pats** got lucky with Brady. They have drafted lots of QB's that have turned into nothing. I know there is this aura around the Patriots** that they find a lot of talent but it's "more probable than not" that Garoppolo doesn't amount to much.

I think Yee is trying to flex his muscles a bit. He is also Sean Peytons agent and was quiet the entire time during BountyGate. This is him making up for being quiet then.

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That's exactly it and I couldn't have said it better. Patriots** fans can't see it that way. The punishment from the League and Troy Vincent is even worded that way.

Jesus, Rodak.

First, the rest of the quote because it makes Kraft look like an idiot: "...It was based completely on circumstantial rather than hard or conclusive evidence,”. Uh yea Robert, did you not read the report? The report states "a preponderance of evidence" is needed to assess guilt. As for the "far exceeded any reasonable expectation, just look at Anthony Hargrove. He was suspended for 8 games, later reduced to 2, for lying to the NFL.

As pointed out previously: The Chargers were not violating any rules. They weren't using stickum, they were using adhesive towels which at the time were not against the rules to use. The reason they were punished was because a referee asked to talk to one of the ball boys and he ignored that ref and refused to talk to him. The Chargers as a team were fined $25,000 for not cooperating with an official. It had very little to do with the towels. Those towels have since been banned.

Except it's not the same... Using the towels at the time wasn't against the rules. Much like when the Pats** used "that" formation in the playoffs. The NFL then changed the rule on the towels just like they changed the rule on the formation. The Chargers were fined for not cooperating with the officials, not for the towels. Taking air out of the footballs after the refs have officially checked them is against the rules. It was before Brady* told the 2 ball boys to do it and it's still against the rules now. Keep digging.

I think 1-2 is close but those teams cooperated, Brady did not and lied. I can see 4 games. 2 for the rules being broken and 2 for lying and not cooperating.

Also can this guy do math? The four NE** that he selected average drop rate was 1.12 PSI, the four from Indy average drop was .56 PSI, how are those 2 numbers close? Wow.

I'm sorry but this is where this whole article falls down: "Thus, I came away from parts of the report questioning whether this was more about serving a pro-NFL agenda than getting to the truth" What agenda could the NFL possibly have against Tom Brady and the Patriots**? I just don't get that argument. And this guy is the Patriots** beat reporter for ESPN.

Yea, I had him pegged for replacing Free, who's getting on a bit. They'll have a very very good OL and I still can't believe how cheap they have Tyron Smith for but the guy just doesn't care about the money. They could keep this line together for a good couple of years if not more.

I think he'll be replacing Ronald Leary.

The thing is how ridiculously cheap they are getting Tyron Smith at LT. Doug Free is getting on in age a bit so I'm sure they have Collins peg to replace him fairly soon.

Well looks like this is the end...

And McNally testified that Brady knew him. It's in the report. You sure you read the report? McNally testified that Brady knows who he is. It's not a play on words... He doesn't say he knows me as "the deflate guy". He says he knows who I am.

I think that's as close as you can get to a defense. I said something similar a couple pages back. I think the only problem with that is that he did lie and he didn't cooperate with the leagues investigation. Which is a big no-no. Also Goodell set precedent with his "ignorance is not an excuse" statement during spygate, so just because Tom didn't know they were lowering below the limit shouldn't be an excuse, he was still asking them to do it and bribing them.

Yea the line has always been "they last spoke 7 months ago...". It's not, "they last had sex 7 months ago...". Who knows what was said in that conversation but it's interesting that people are assuming it was that she told him he was the father. It's also just as likely that she told him he wasn't the father but that she was pregnant.

Well that's not entirely true either. They last spoke 7 months ago, it's possible that in that conversation this girl said to him, look I'm pregnant, it's not yours, that she in fact knew who the father is. And maybe that's why he stopped talking to her. Of course she's not alive to establish that so we can only go on what he has said and he seemed fairly confident that he wasn't the father. Aren't you assuming a bit that she didn't know who the father was?

I hate that defense. The "Everyone's doing it..."

I think his statement is making it worse for Tom Brady. Now he's the victim? The NFL and the investigators purposely tried to come up with some story? Why? When has the NFL ever had a problem with their golden child. Someone should not have given that agent a box to stand on.