dayman

Both. The phone program for sure, and to a lesser extent PRISM which as far as I have been shown does not effect US citizens or people in the US unless you have correspondence with a foreign terror suspect.I'm sure more will come out but I haven't seen it yet.

This is exactly the type of kid you want to entrust our country to....not my words.

Pretty sure a lot of people in Congress already know -and have known for some time- more details than are publicly available about this program.

I still fail to see how people can call the idea heroic when the program, if honestly evaluated, is not that outrageous.

I mean, if you had your pick, you pick the guy who went on a rant at the end of his speech about Christ dying an excruciating death so his blood could save us and state censored speech?

!@#$, I agree with Sarah Palin.

Of course nobody is right. Everybody is an idiot in that story.

I can't bring myself to catch up with this thread but generally speaking do people on this board want to do anything, including sending weapons, with regards to Syria at this moment?

3rd is correct. He aided the enemy by telling them what we are doing. He also aided the American people by telling them what we are doing. Both a traitor and a hero. But mainly a traitor until it is proven that something truly outrageous is happening (which it has not bene proven yet)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKdocYeSqTA

Some self-proclaimed constitutional scholars don't really care about these things...you see...never mind that it created a system of self-government...pay attention only to such self-proclaimed constitutional scholar's reading of certain provisions...do not pay attention to anything else...

If you give information to a news publisher you give it to everyone, including terrorists. That is obvious. Also, the poll contrasts "traitor" with "hero"...so didn't realize legal definitions of treason came into play.

Really not a big deal to me...maybe I'm just young and didn't grow up in a more private world but honestly I like the technology and I don't think this is that bad...apparently they can't get at texts b/c the companies do not store that data (or something like that)....and the email stuff...well...they aren't spying on me based on what I've been told...could there be more to it that could change my mind? Yes. Do I know anything more? No. And that is why this guy is a traitor. hehe

Incoming Glomar-ish response

lol lobbing discovery demands at a program that doesn't officially exist and has no public regulations or code as to confidentiality.

At this point I would say traitor. Although I do think what is leaked is important...I'm not really convinced this stuff should have been leaked. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong but to the best of my knowledge there is giant a database w/ the numbers my number called and how long we spoke buried somewhere in there..and nobody can look at the content w/ out more particularized suspicion...and apparently nobody can read my email unless it is somehow connected with a terrorist suspect who is not in the united states... Less than optimal to say the least...but is this something that shocks me given my understanding of how "private" my digital life is anyway? Not really.

Pretty sure the economy falling off a cliff had more to do with that election than Palin...

The public is just doing what it always does with respect to former presidents... and with respect to current presidents. Nothing more. Give up the quest to vindicate Bush... nobody has to be mean about it now but that doesn't mean things didn't end up about as bad as possible. lol

haha scrambling? if you believe that Bush is in some way recovrring from his presidency outside of basic time passing...then that is what you believe. and I could care less of course but thebskewed overall view you have of the public opinion of bush and obama is simply your view

This really means nothing given that it is expected. If anything it took Bush too long to even get near 50 post presidency. Active presidents are another story all together.

THIS POST IS A SPOILER FOR BOOK READERS ONLY: Looks like they are incorporating a particularly nasty aspect to Robbs dead from the book in the next episode: http://i.imgur.com/D3Co1OW.jpg

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/06/18807056-chinese-hacked-obama-mccain-campaigns-took-internal-documents-officials-say?lite Aparently they hacked his campaign

That particular issue isn't even about that....there are plenty of services for people who speak other languages...that one is just about some psycho running external enforcement for CRC in DOL.

Add this to the pile: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/05/florida-unemployment-civil-rights_n_3391800.html

I think the bottom line is ... they're going to have to show us the bacon on this one. 7 years? Show us some bacon...classified or not they need to declassify it and tell us specifically how this has been successful. They can do that or explain specifically what it is they get.... If it is deidentified markers matched up to numbers, mined to fine some patter, then identified for those that pass the pattern, then analyzed and possibly get a warrant for it...I think (contrary to what a lot of us like to say) most Americans would be ok with this PROVIDED that they could certify those numbers that become identified (after passing a pattern) are very low AND that there are a number of terrorist activities that have been thwarted... But the bottom line is we can't continue indefinitely condoning this without declassified information that allows us to consider it intelligently...