OldTimer1960

I’m sure that he will work on earning your trust.

I think Cox, Tremble and Meinerz could all be there. Probably a little early for Tremble.

He showed capable of getting pressure inside and I suspect they like the idea of 6’6+ with very long arms disrupting the passing lanes from inside on 3rd downs.

I like it - all the DEs and CBs had some questions- he was an opt out. Big, almost 35” arms, should be able to disrupt passing lanes even when he doesn’t get pressure.

I like it. Big, very long arms, young red-shirt soph.

The run on DEs is coming

C’mon Washington, trade up and take Jones before Pats

Bears please take Fields...

I think Turner will go be mid 2nd at latest, else I would want to trade up for him in 2nd. Could see why someone could pull the trigger tonight, but it would be a mild surprise. He is so tall with long arms and pretty good power with ability to rush inside and disrupt passing lanes with his long arms and height. Not banging the table for him, but if they want DE take your pick of a lot of players who all have questions or holes.

Very hard to say, but I will guess Tyson Campbell with an outside shot of taking either DE Joe Tryon or Payton Turner. Oweh would be the ultimate gamble on greatness. I’ll take a trade down, but prefer a draft pick instead of Ertz - he was great, but I fear he’s spent.

But no such player exists in this draft after Pitts who will be gone very early.

Respectfully disagree. Etienne is fast, maybe not AS fast as advertised, but I think his receiving skills are a tad overblown and I don’t think he has special power or elusiveness. I don’t hate him as a prospect, but he is half used up (imho) and good not great. If the argument is that he is a dynamic receiver, then I prefer Elijah Moore who is at least as fast, has better hands and route running and will play in the league longer. Don’t get me wrong, I am not sold on Moore, either. Likely slot receiver only and undersized, but still more of an immediate upgrade and long-term contributor in my view. Both of these heavily used RBs will be declining by year 4, so 5th year is not very helpful.

Spot on... Disagree. I think explosive RB loses 1/2 yard less when met in backfield as Moss and Singletary were. Speed at RB is overrated, in my opinion. Yes, occasionally a fast guy can break a big run where a slower guy makes only a good gain. Still, most runs require good blocking, RB vision and make-you-miss ability- not necessarily raw speed.

I think Turner could be in the mix for Bills at 30 or with small trade down. I’m not a fan of Etienne or Harris in the first, though I do think both are good, but short-term prospects. I would prefer DE or CB or OL at 30, but am warming to a WR. Prefer WR over RB as a “weapon”. Marshall would be interesting and I would prefer Elijah Moore, though likely slot only, over any RB. I just think RBs are at best 4 year players at a high level and Etienne and Harris likely less due to college wear and tear.

Maybe even before 50. He is huge and can move. Teams will be tempted and after Paye, all the DEs have have holes - opt outs, 1 year producers, injuries...

Heck, I would be willing for the Bills to red-shirt Farley, but only if they are VERY confident that he will fully recover. Back injuries are really trouble - Terrell Troup never recovered. Without the ability for a team Doctor to examine him, I would have to pass in round 1 and maybe even round 2. Unless he got an “all clear” from the NFL doctor at Indy, I think he will fall out of the first.

Yes, I think they are all “home field” times - not just Etiennes. Indy has a reportedly “slower” surface, but at least same surface for everyone so comparisons are possible. Likewise, Indy is set up with electronic timing so that everyone is getting same treatment. I believe that these pro days are mostly hand timed which certainly introduces variability into the timings.

You’re right, I had forgotten that. My bad. Still, team doctors had the ability to examine Metcalf and they can’t do that with Farley.

Many on that list slowed down not too far into their NFL career - do you disagree?

I don’t see the comparison at all. DK Metcalf had people questioning if he was too big to move laterally while he was clearly fast and also they questioned his route running. Farley has had 2 back procedures and may be looking at a 3rd and he is only in his early 20s. Add to it that team Docs can’t even examine him for themselves and picking him would be a major risk.

My main worry is that he is likely only a short-term producer before he breaks down and I would hope to find someone at a more important position who can be here for longer than that.

Is Etienne really that big a receiving threat or did he take advantage of spread out defenses trying to handle all of Clemson’s talent and benefit from a a very good OL. Behind last year’s Bills’ OL he gets met in the backfield frequently just like Singletary and Moss did - his speed won’t help there. In addition, his 4.4 speed from his pro day is likely equivalent to 4.5 at Indy combine in a normal year.

I just don’t really think that Harris or Etienne are that “huge scare the defense” guy. And I think both are half used up from college. RBs take a real beating.

This is the right perspective picking late in each round. You can take “safe” prospects, many will have limited upside or take high upside guys wh are risks to never reach their potential. There are, of course, guys in the middle between those poles. I prefer some level of “safeness” that early picks will find some role to contribute in - not necessarily this year.

I think many could fit that description. Several of the DEs like Oweh and Tryon are in that category. Most of the CBs after Surtain, Newsome and Horn also fit. Really, any high upside guy who might need a year to blossom -or- a nearly finished product who might have to sit behind a vet this year. Guys with tons of wear and tear at RB like Etienne and Harris don’t fit that description as they may contribute early, they likely fade/breakdown in 3-4 years at the latest. Just my view, but I would prefer long-term thinking.