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6 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:
I dont disagree that he might try to get up there but I think it will be difficult to get up there. Really the teams that would be willing to trade are maybe Atlanta, Chicago(if they don't want Odunze themselves), Tennessee(looking OT and can still get one at 28) and maybe if Odunze slips to 12 Denver is in play. Those seem like really the only options.
I also think there is a good possibility that Arizona trades down but with NYG instead of Minnesota so they can grab another premium pick while still getting Nabers or Odunze at 6. I just see it as an unlikely road not impossible but unlikely. I would love Odunze as I have him as my # 2 WR.
I was and am still on the McConkey train for the Bills as well. I just have a huge gut feeling that the pick is going to be Keon Coleman. The more I think about it the more he fits their model of person and he is different than what they have in the room.
He does a lot of things the Bills would love. He's a hard worker, hes a great teammate, he's a leader in the Florida State locker room, he's a big WR that they don't have, he goes out of his way to block instead of just standing there. Those are the little things the Bills love. His greatest strength is YAC ability, something the Bills have struggled with and continue to struggle with so hopefully he would mitigate that issue. On top of that Keon Coleman is 20 years old and there is a lot of evidence that the Bills love taking younger players with their first round picks and Coleman definitely fits that mold as he'll be 21 years old when the season starts. He could be another interchangeable part for the Bills playing inside and outside the numbers and he is a good athlete as he played both D1 Basketball and Football.
This doesn't include the fact that the Bills met with him at the Combine and then brought him in for a 30 visit as well. He's not my # 1 choice and maybe I'm looking too much into it but Coleman checks a lot of the Bills character and player arch boxes.
You’re argument makes a lot of sense, but they might really regret spending that pick on him. I just can’t get over his inability to get open consistently.
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7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Franklin if they trade back.
Thomas and Worthy at 28 or trade up. Walker at 60 if they go a different direction at 28. If they trade down I think Franklin would be a target.
Walker has great size and speed, but the Senior Bowl showed that he isn’t able to compete well with the big boys - maybe he can improve.
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1 hour ago, Goin Breakdown said:
Sounds like he thrives in that Shakir zone. I heard Bean says he's not concerned with a true #1 WR. So maybe it's this guy!? Makes me nervous to think the GM thinks we don't need a true #1. Time that sounds like more "Josh can and needs to do it all" talk.
I think we could say that KC just won the SB without a true #1. What exactly make a WR a Wr1? Is it the receiver that gets the most targets? Does he have to play the boundary? Can he be a “move” receiver who sometimes is out wide? Can he play predominantly in the slot?
I get the idea that you want a receiver whom defenses have to pay extra attention to to free up other receivers and that WR1 is the “go to” guy.
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23 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
I think they likely view Samuel as eating up the targets for Gabe. I know they aren’t exactly the same player but I think they likely view both Shakir and Samuel as splitting time in the slot and at the boundary.
What they really need is a solid boundary WR who can efficiently take on 70-80 targets and turn that into 50+ receptions and 650-750 yards 5-6 TD’s. You are going to be then counting on Shakir having more production on better volume, Kincaid taking on a bit more in terms of 20 additional targets, and Samuel having a solid season taking the 70-80 targets Gabe has gotten in the past two seasons and making them more efficient.
You don’t necessarily need a rookie to come in a replace all or most of Diggs production but just some of it. I then think adding a boundary WR in round 4-5 as depth rounds out the WR core as out probably need another pure boundary guy to spot start if needed
Just playing devils advocate- I don’t think Miami and its prolific offense have that big boundary receiver. I’m not saying that the Bills shouldn’t try to find one, but I think there are successful offenses that don’t have that.
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18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Yep. I have long been there. Matt Harmon thinks the same too.
Gunner: you should do a pod cast! Your analysis is great and you clearly know what you’re talking about.
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11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
This would remove Mitchell from the Bills board I believe.
If that’s true, I would expect them to stay from Mitchell. However, I am old enough to remember Dan Marino free falling in the draft due to rumors that he used cocaine regularly - and that was untrue.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Something has to give right? I can’t see the Bills depending on a 2nd round WR prospect to replace Diggs, which is what we’ll draft at 28.
It’s really fascinating to me.
I believe that Beane made the moves that he did because he saw that that roster had peaked and was fading and to fix the cap. The Diggs trade may not have been planned, but rather forced by team dynamics. Anyway, I think that Beane knows that this roster isn’t championship quality this year. He will do what he can to put a good team on the field, but as I see it, the Bills’ D is paper thin and would need a miraculously injury free season to have any shot this year. I don’t think even the acquisition of Harrison Jr would change that and giving away next year’s 1st and 2nd at significant discount in trade this year would rob them of the picks they need to fix the defense. I just don’t see any big trade giving away early picks next year as a good option.
About the most I would consider would be a trade of one of next year’s 2nd round picks - and I don’t like that idea very much, but it would at least leave them with a full hand of picks for 2025.
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49 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
This would be a really good player at pick 28 - probably a considerably better prospect than the wr they are considering
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3 hours ago, DJB said:
True but Schoen really can’t be feeling comfortable hitching his wagon to Daniel Jones. Something needs to be done at the QB position or he and Dabollare going to be canned after next year
That’s true, but just grabbing the 4th QB does not necessarily solve the problem. They need to be sure that McCarthy or Penix or Nix are any better than Jones plus if they grab a rookie QB they still don’t have any receivers - maybe could get one in 2nd.
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11 hours ago, HappyDays said:
The way I see it is everyone knows it's a weak EDGE class. So I'm just accepting this year our EDGE group will not be a strength of the team. And that's fine. The way to solve that problem isn't by reaching for mediocre talents in the top 75 out of desperation. We solve that problem by trying to build an offense that can simply outpace everybody. We hope that Rousseau takes a big step and Von Miller looks even 50% of what he did in 2022. I would rather bet on that and invest in the offensive weapons than reach for say Marshawn Kneeland at #60 because of a perceived drop off after him. Go all in on the positions that are strong in the draft (namely WR and OL) and accept that we won't be dominant at every single position group this season.
Agree - and I would add don’t trade 2025 picks at a discount this year. There will be holes in this team, this is not the year to “go all in” and trade future picks.
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8 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:
If we use #60 for a trade up or for a second WR, I am concerned about the S position. While I understand not drafting for need, we still need to fill the pipeline.
How would you propose filling the S , and another EDGE, in this off season?
Wouldn't a more modest trade up for a Thomas and preserving our picks this year for S, EDGE, OL make more sense?
I think the answer is that you can’t expect to fill all of those needs in this draft. Just get good players at important positions.
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16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
2nd-3rd.
16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:2nd-3rd.
I agree with you. One of the linked posts said late first/early 2nd. It was Garafolo’s post.
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3 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:
I like Legette too, but I've done dozens of mock drafts and he's always available at 35-40.
Of course that has no bearing on whether he will be or not.
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3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Kneeland is a late first/early 2nd guy?
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7 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:
I think Von will be a solid 8-10 sack guy this year. Came back way early from his torn ACL, year 2 is always the "get close" to form year. Even at his age, he has 1-2 productive years left in this league.
He's highly motivated/hard worker naturally, but also has alot of incentives riding on this year.
JMO. But I'm also hoping Beane uses the post June 1 Tre $$$s on a FA DE. Someone who can be insurance/allow Groot to slide inside on passing downs again.
I think the cap savings from Tre are needed for signing the rookies.
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49 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:
I beg to differ about Edge. Like I mentioned, for better or worse, we're likely to roll with Groot and a combo of Von/AJE ( and potential FA signing post June 1st). We're counting on Von to get close to his old form and for AJE to be more consistent.
Next year, Edge will be the biggest need once Von is cut.
As for WR, we "might" have 1 outside WR in Samuel. Bigger than that, we don't have any downfield threats.
We have a starting DL to roll out, we can't say the same about WR
You really want to count on Miller? He *might* be better this year, but I wouldn’t count on that. Really, that can sink their season as easily as wr can.
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3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
I do not see Beane going WR in 1 and 2. We have too many needs.
They do have too many needs - and I don’t think it is realistic that they will fill them all in this draft. For all the talk of owning “so many picks”, they only have 2 of the first 127 picks. My view has changed to finding the best players they can at important positions and just expect to have some unmet needs this year. If that means the first two picks are WR because they are the best players, so be it.
3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:Here are your needs:
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Safety
RB 2
DL Depth
OL Depth
LB DepthI would put pass rush up there with WR. If Miller is no better than he was last year the that important position will be split between Epenesa and Toohill.
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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I would. I'd go Legette, but would not freak out over Mitchell or Worthy. I think Ladd, Franklin, Coleman would all leave me feeling slightly cold but then you have to look in the context of the board at the time etc.
It seems to me that McConkey and Worthy have relatively high floors. McConkey should be a reliable player who is frequently open, even if he isn’t a major deep threat. Worthy seems certain to be at least a dangerous weapon deep, but may not have the bulk or hands to be a consistent chain mover.
Mitchell and Coleman seem to have more bust potential. Mitchell because of alleged effort issues and Coleman trying to get open in the league. Franklin just scares me after the combine- he looked a lot smoother and a better route runner in games than at the combine.
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5 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:
And just...we have Khalil Shakir. We have a proven commodity, in the building, to fill the role Pearsall would provide.
If we are to take a flier on a guy in late second I'd rather they take a gamble on Polk because at the very least he fills a different role.
And if the Bills are passing on a WR at 28 or moving back I would absolutely look for Franklin, Mitchell, Worthy, McConkey, or Legette before Pearsall, easily.
This is the scenario that I was thinking of upstream when I talked about being open to after round 1. There is no question in my mind that there are at least a dozen receivers who could help the Bills given the state of the receiver group. They need someone to play the boundary for sure as all they currently have is a complete unknown in Justin Shorter, but they als need someone who gets open consistently since they lost that guy (Diggs). They don’t have to solve both needs with one pick.
However, if you dismiss the mostly slot guys McConkey, Wilson, Pearsall, Corley, the receiver depth is shallower than the hype.
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8 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:
Matt Harmon's ranking of Franklin outside the top let's me know to never follow his scouting of receivers.
I’m not excited about Franklin in round 1, but he certainly makes sense in round 2.
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After the top 3 and Thomas Jr, I think Mitchell is probably the next guy, but I will admit that I really like McConkey, too. After them, I think we fans really need to be open to guys that have been characterized as mostly slot guys. If they aren’t open to guys like Pearsall and Wilson then the “deep pool of WRs” gets a lot shallower.
Just get good football players at important positions - don’t reach for need.
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55 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
We don't need a double dip. We need to have one good WR then focus on defense. If we can't get to Burrow or Mahomes and cover on the back end,it won't matter. Take another guy in the 4th or 5th to bring to camp.
I agree that a pass rusher is of the utmost importance, I just don’t see how you get one in this draft if they go WR in the first. Once you get past Dallas Turner, Jared Verse, Latu and Chop Robinson the pickings are pretty slim for a true DE (there are some 3-4 OLBs, but they don’t help Buffalo). By pick 60, your looking at Austin Booker, Braden Trice and Adisa Isaac - Booker and Isaac have some pass rush potential, but probably need to add considerable muscle before being ready to contribute. I can imagine them liking Trice with his high-effort approach, but it’s possible all 3 of them are gone by 60 as well.
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15 hours ago, SirAndrew said:
Good point, apparently I don’t think anything about Michigan State 😆 He just struck me as the perfect FSU guy, all potential. Potential is a dangerous thing when you’ve got plenty of receivers who produced more at the college level. I’ve never liked “potential” players who didn’t dominate at major programs. I’ll take that chance on a small school guy who doesn’t have crazy stats, but this draft has too many guys who produced more in college than Coleman.
I’m not a big Coleman advocate either, but I think it’s inaccurate to say he has been unproductive. 108 receptions and 18 TDs over the last two seasons against high level competition with less than stellar QB play isn’t bad.
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3 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said:
Stinks. Didn’t know about the legal troubles.
How do you see Dejean panning out in our defense? I like where you going with this because I think we have a cool little thing with the Bills — a safeties legacy. Poyer and Hyde set a standard and I’d love to get that back asap.
I have to trust that the organization will capitalize on the example those two have given them. That’s the mould we need to be looking for. Their interchangeable qualities were hugely aggressive to and at the ball, and fearless tackling. Having two guys back there that compliment each other so well was the most significant thing a McDermott defense has accomplished during his tenure. So absolutely, I can see the desire to address that. After WR.Next player. Looking to get to the QB. Darius or Chop Robinson. The Bills DESPERATELY need to disrupt QB, and right now I don’t see how they are going to do that consistently.
I really like Chop Robinson. He has every athletic trait you could want with the exception of having longer arms. He does need to develop more pass rush moves, but similar can be said about any WR the team can expect to find available at 28 with the exception of McConkey and probably Mitchell and Pearsall. I know that any player except a WR in the first round will be hugely unpopular with many fans, but it is more a hope and prayer that Miller will be able to give the team much than it is an expectation, so pass rush is a huge need as is WR.
How about Jehrzan Newton?
2024 WR Draft Class
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I agree, but while his upside could be pretty high, he (Walker) has quite a way to go to get there.