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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

    I wanted Mitchell and McConkey, but with Coleman, Franklin is the fella I would take a shot on. 
    He wasn't my favorite, but it has to be an X and a Z. Franklin does fit the Diggs' profile, imo.

    I think they can get Franklin at 60, if they want him.  That would be both receivers that I hoped they would not draft.

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    Just now, Success said:

     

    But he gets contested catches, too. 

     

    I just get tired of draft day experts.  Scouts & Beane do this stuff 24x7 - no one here does anywhere near that.

     

    I understand and I’ll be the first to admit I am not qualified to critique their picks, but I can watch games and see that he is almost never open.

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/keon-coleman/3200434f-4c29-5571-54fa-77236

     

    Stuff I'm not loving here

    -Press coverage can blanket his release and catch a ride.

    -Below-average acceleration getting out of breaks and cuts.

    -Could struggle finding separation to avoid excessive contested catches.


    Stuff that sounds good:

    -Prototypical size and high-end ball skills.

    -Attacks underneath throws with extended, sticky hands.

    -Works aggressively back on short and intermediate throws.

    -Unlikely to see focus drops when watching his tape.

    -Meets jump balls with full extension to the high-point.

    -Uses size to gain advantage over the cornerback on jump-ball wins.

    -Hard to bring down after the catch and as a punt returner.

    If you want a back to the basket post player, Coleman is the man.

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    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:


    He’s going to be able to be in a state of the art training room around NFL strength and conditioning without having to go to school. This is where having strong football love and acumen comes into play. He’s going to work at it, he’s going to be in the facility, I know that sounds very Gabe Davis but he has way better hands and runs a better route tree than Davis 

    Well, of course I’ll hope he is great if they take him - I just don’t see the upside.

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:


    And let’s be frank the vast majority bitching about him have never seen him play they just know about his testing time and what they have seen in a 5 minute YouTube clip. 
     

    I am literally an FSU fan and have watched him for 13 games this year and I can tell you I’m very unbiased when it comes to their players. 
     

    There are other reasons for why he didn’t separate than he’s not a burner. He also is literally 20 years old and is going to get better. Not my first choice but a great locker room hard working guy who will do whatever the Bills ask him to do to win. Which is the goal after all

    The young age is a plus, I just don’t know how he gets any quicker than he is.

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    Good post.  The obsession with 40 times is comical to me.  He plays faster than his "40 time" and the gauntlet is a much more significant speed test and has to do a lot more with on field game speed.  

     

    Give me anyone of Mitchell, McConkey, Coleman, Franklin, or Polk in round 2 and I will be a happy camper.  Doesn't matter to me if its at 33, on a trade back, or at 60.  Any one of them this round and I will be thrilled.  And I would take all 5 of them over Worthy, Legette, or Pearsall (I love Pearsall, but he wasn't the right fit for us)

    It’s not 40 time, it’s getting open and Coleman doesn’t do that.

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    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    23 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

    My comparison for Keon Coleman is Keenan Allen and a former FSU great Anquan Boldin. The Kelvin Benjamin comparisons are lazy lazy. 
     

    I’ve said for months that Coleman is a possibility because he’s got great football acumen, is young and developable and provides an interchangeable piece that can play inside and out. 
     

    I will be one of the few apparently who will not be upset if they select him. People also forget we can easily get a true speed WR later in the draft. 
     

    I get the appeal of AD Mitchell he has great upside too but he just doesn’t strike me as a Bills player(I’ve been wrong before) 

     

    McConkey is my preferred choice but any of the 4 I understand. There have been tons of people saying that Coleman is going a lot higher than the scouting community has him pegged 

    Bolden played when DBs were allowed to rough up WR.  I don’t think big guys like that are as valuable now with rules changes.

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    12 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

    Your Shorter comparison is beyond ridiculous. Shorter never gained more than 580 yds in a season or scored more than 3 tds.

     Franklin was one of the most dominant wrs in the country, gaining almost 1400 yds with 14 tds.

     His yprr metrics are elite across the board, vs press, single, double, zone

     You don't like his route running?

    He is clever and deceptive and runs a full tree attacking all 3 levels. He's one of the better route runners in the class.

     

     

    Ok - I admit that I was just arguing that how a guy is rated coming out of HS is irrelevant.  I still am not enamored by Franklin.  I think if you look at recent analyst lists, they have dropped Franklin a lot from where he was 2 months ago - same for Coleman.  I think that’s because they have heard from teams that they don’t value them that highly.

     

    I, of course, don’t know what they will do and I watch game tape, highlights and read voraciously, but that doesn’t make me qualified!

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    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

    “The Buffalo Bills open Round 2 with the 33rd selection and I’m told they are considering two receivers - Adonai Mitchell and Keon Coleman. The team will entertain offers to move down, as other franchises have been calling with the hopes of trading up for Cooper DeJean, Kool-Aid McKinstry or Jer'Zhan Newton. I’m told the Bills have at least two additional receivers highly rated on their board after Mitchell and Coleman and would be comfortable trading down for the right offer.”

    Could probably trade from 33 down to 45 and still take Coleman.  

    Who do you want with our first pick in 2nd?

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    31 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

    I went with Troy Franklin... The guy had a majority of workouts with the Bills staff, more than any player on this list. Keon Coleman would be an interesting player also, I remember when the Panthers staff selected Kelvin benjamin who i believe was of the same size and from Florida State so they seem like very similar receivers.

    Yes, hopefully they learned that big slow receivers don’t make it in the NFL.

    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    4 minutes ago, The All-Pro-Knox Gallery said:

    DeJean seems like a fine player, but if he was truly valued by the Bills, I think he would have been grabbed at #28. However we are pretty deep at CB. Johnson, Benford, Douglas, and Elam is a pretty solid stable and good enough for this year. Maybe Elam gives you some extra growth and can get on the field more. Also, Beane has done a good job finding talent at this position in the mid to late rounds so I think I trust his eye for talent later in the draft. 
     

    I think #33 should be receiver. Franklin, Mitchell, McConkey, Polk, and Coleman are all players to take a shot at. You can maybe gamble on DeJean at #33 then try to grab one of these receivers with a trade up of #60. Or maybe one of them falls that low. I just don’t think that is a good idea given we are so weak at the position and need to get one of them.

     

    Rounds 2-5 have produced elite WR talent the last few years. We have many picks in this range at the moment. Enough that we can grab 2 lottery tickets and fill the rest of the roster out with the rest. Amon-Ra, Puka, Jayden Reed, AJ Brown, Rice, Tank, Downs, Collins, Higgins, and Pickens all are starters that were taken in that range in recent years. I hope we play the numbers game and can find the next WR to that list. 

    I don’t think Franklin, Polk or Coleman should be considered early in round 2.

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    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    To get #36 and #40, we could give up #33, #60, and one of our 2025 2nds. That would be equal value by the Rich Hill chart. It is a risk though because NE needs a WR. But we could double dip at WR at #36 and #40 in that scenario.

    I would strongly prefer not to trade 2025 picks at a discount, though obviously they might see it differently.  If they got 36 and 40, I don’t think I could find 2 WR that I would want to double up on.  I presume Mitchell is out of play based on the character/effort rumors (ad it we don’t know if true).  What 2 WR would you want in that range?

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    1 minute ago, Logic said:

    Supposedly, it's the worst kept secret of the draft this year that Washington wants to move up and get an offensive tackle to protect their new QB investment.

    While I don't necessarily trust the veracity of the person who posted the rumor or the specifics of the trade itself, it won't surprise me in the least if we DO trade with Washington.

    It's about as far back as I can see Beane being willing to move, too.

    I would like for them to trade down with Washington, if they get back decent value.  I don’t see anyone at pick 33 who is “must have”.

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    8 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

    Value wise, yes...

     

    But if their guy is at 33, you never know. They have a lot of picks tonight (5)...going down to 4 AND getting a guy they covet might be worth it.

    Trying to guess who their guy would be.  For as lauded as this receiver class is, I’m not terribly excited about the guys left.

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