OldTimer1960
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remember if you take a player in say round 3 you give up your 2nd next year, pick someone in round 5 you give up your 4th in the draft next year, just an fyi.
I don't think this is correct. I believe you give up your pick in the round that you used to make a supplemental pick. That is, if you bid a 3rd on a player
in the supplemental draft, you lose your 3rd in the upcoming draft.
I could be wrong, but I believe that is how it works.
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And I think Frostbelt City is a great nickname for Jacksonville, FL.
Now, I don't know what Naker's view on Trent Edwards was, but I definitely do not understand
the negativity towards Poz. This is a guy who has fought through injuries and weak DL play
to post good production over his time here. Is it true that many of his tackles have come
downfield? Yes, but with a weak DL in front of him, what could you expect?
I hope that the Bills can re-sign Poz and we'll see what he can do behind, what I hope is,
an improved DL with Troup and Carrington in year 2 and the addition of Dareus to Kyle
Williams and Dwan Edwards.
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Poz may not be the best LB in the league but why can't anyone realize what we have in the guy? he could start on 30 teams in the NFL, if not 32.
Agreed. He should be the Bills' first FA priority. He look significantly better if the DL in front of him improves with
the addition of last year's #2 and 3 picks Troup and Carrington, along with Dareus.
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The two are related, obviously. We had a horrible defense last year, and the fact that our run D was a sieve partly explains why opposing Qs passer ratings were so high.
Agreed. I suspect that the secondaries first priority was helping the woeful run D and opposing offenses were set up
very well when the opted to pass due to favorable down and distance situations and DBs "cheating" to help against
the run.
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As opposed to what? Spending money you don't have?
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Thank you. Some people just don't understand economic reality. They are one of the
lowest revenue teams in the league with among the lowest ticket prices. They can't spend
what they don't have.
I hope that the spouses of these people constantly badger them for not spending more
than they make.
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I am sure that some or all of these have been mentioned, but for Bills only, here are my picks:
Robert James CB: I believe he was undrafted and was very very good.
Sam Cowart ILB: was really very very good prior to his injury which just killed his career.
Jeff Nixon S: He was really looking good and then he hurt his (knee I think).
Takeo Spikes OLB: was DOMINANT before his achilles injury. He has hung on for many years as an OK
starter (now with SF), but he has been no where near his level with Cinci and the Bills.
Jerry Butler WR: Might have been the Bills' best WR ever had he not gotten hurt early in his career. I remember
him making some just AMAZING catches.
Of them all, I think it is a toss-up between Butler and Spikes as to who would have been the very best, but
I think all of the above would have had outstanding careers if not for the injuries.
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I have had the pleasure of seeing both OJ and Thurman run. I think Thurman Thomas was a GREAT RB - perhaps
Hall Of Fame, but Simpson was INCREDIBLE. He had no passing game to speak of to draw the defense off, as Thurman
had. Yet, Simpson could NOT BE STOPPED. In terms of surrounding talent, Thomas by far had the better set of
teammates.
No question in my mind, Simpson was one of the 10 best individual players that I've ever seen.
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While I think the team is finally on the right track, I really think that your "grades" are very very
lenient for a 4-12 team. For example, giving the QB position with a journeyman starter and 2nd year 7th
round pick a B is very easy grading. How the DL and LBs come out with even passing grades is
quite surprising given that the team was dead last in stopping the run last year.
To be clear, I see reasons for optimism. I like Nix and Gailey and I think that last year's rookies will
continue to develop. I like this year's group of rookies, too, but every team likes their rookies a lot.
This is a team (IMHO) that will have to inch its way up in a very good division. I think that they could
take another step towards the playoffs this year, but I do think that:
1. the lockout will hinder a very young team like the Bills more than veteran teams like the Pats and Jets
2. the Bills still have a lot of unaddressed holes including both OT positions, OLB, TE and starting QB.
3. I think that the WR corp is highly over-rated. They have Lee Evans on the downside of his career,
one-year producer Stevie Johnson, undersized niche player Roscoe Parrish and some guys who showed
a little, but not enough to call them good bets. Your description of Marcus Easley is highly inflated.
What potential? He played a bit in training camp and was hurt early in the preseason. He was not a
productive receiver in college until the 2nd half of his last year.
All in all, I want to be optimistic and to some extent share some of your enthusiasm, but I can't escape
the fact that this team was 4-12, has a lot of young players missing valuable coaching during the lockout
and has questions at most positions.
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Lifting weights, sprinting and jumping is not football. Size and athleticism are a pre-requisites to play in the NFL but they don't really guarantee you of anything. You have to be able to play the game. We'll see if Jasper can if they ever play games again.
Thank you, you are SO right. It isn't just about the biggest or strongest, it's also about leverage, instincts, technique
and effort. I love the Jasper story as much as anyone. I also see that he is an outstanding athlete for someone so
large. However, remember he was 440 lbs last year playing at a very low level of competition on the OL. Yes, he did
play defense the year before, but he was also playing against 230-250lb OL at that level of play. His athletic ability,
size and strength gives him a CHANCE to make it in the NFL.
I don't know why some here want to give up on Troup after one year where he didn't light it up. It is VERY common
for DL, especially DT/NT to take 2-3 years to get stronger and learn technique to play well at the NFL level. Troup,
by the reports I've seen, is a hard worker and has talent. Don't give up on him yet.
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Why so little reported? Because even less happened.
C'mon, they did some running drills and 45 minutes of weight lifting. I am no pro athlete and I am 50 years
old and I do 40 minutes of aerobic exercise and 40 minutes of weight lifting on most days. I am sweaty when
I am done, too (yes, sometimes I even wear a grey shirt to show the sweat).
Point isn't that I am some great athlete (I'm not), just that there is no news here for professional athletes to
get a light workout in.
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But his idea might have some merit. what if yu put 30 owners together, put another franchise in all the same cities as the NFL, and got a CBA signed with said league that specified all players were under contarct to the Buffalo franchise would still be there...in other words give the players exactly what they want wich is the old CBA.
Onlt problem I see is the TV deal..but sure that could be worked arund...hmmm that would be a prety cool idea
One reason is because those players are under contract with the NFL.
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Sometimes stats aren't as clear as they seem. I think that the turnover ratio also reflected how
bad the team was (rather than it being the reason the team was bad). I would not be surprised
to find out that a high percentage of those turnovers was late in games when the offense had
no choice but to throw because they were playing from behind.
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While it is his personal life I would like to know what caused him to go from school to school to school to finally end up at a Coe College type place.
I dont want the guy trashed but come on.....there has to be a reason why a athletic freak of over 400 pounds was not playing at a more legit Div I school......I mean USC, UCLA.....they would have been all over this guy I know this for a fact.
He go to a big school and was not academically eligible, transferred to Tennessee Martin or something then to Bethel. He was
also seriously overweight. He has dedicated himself to getting in shape and has done a wonderful job to come this far. Now,
we'll see if he can continue and if he can play at the NFL level.
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Like you, I am also very anxious to see this kid start working with the team. He seems like a decent guy, and you gotta love the attitude.
To the person who wrote the article however...I think this is a bit of a misquote on Jasper: "Every time they say I'm slow I add 10 tenths to my 40-time."
Well, he did say that in the video so the quote was correct. I am sure that Jasper meant that he
improved his forty time.
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I am not sure that leadership is quite the right word. The entire team can't be
leaders or there is no one for them to lead. I think that the have drafted players
who are self-motivated, self-starting and dedicated. A few may be leaders of the
group, but I think more important is that most of these guys, based on the scouting
reports I've seen, don't need motivation from anyone else. Look at Torrell Troup
busting his butt this offseason getting stronger and putting on weight. I don't think
anyone is leading him to that, he is doing it on his own because he wants to be
good.
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It baffles me why the Bills wouldn't trade down and get more value out of their pics. For a team that has so many holes, it would seem to be wise to get more pics and try to plug our more of our holes (QB, OL, LB, DT, etc...). I understand being confident in the guys you want, but winning teams are able to remain flexible enough to make the draft work to their advantage.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/5/5/2152950/buddy-nix-buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-2011
Well, perhaps because they thought that the player that they were going to get without trading down was worth
more than the two later picks that they'd have gotten? Remember, for a team to offer a package of later picks for
one earlier pick, they must've felt that the one earlier pick was equivalent or better than the package of later
picks or they wouldn't have made the offer....
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I don't think Troup is getting enough respect. He is reportedly working his butt off and
says he is up to 327lbs of pretty solid muscle (saw his twitter pic). I like Troup's effort,
work-ethic and intensity. I don't think you can write the guy off because he wasn't a
full-time starter as a rookie. Many interior DL take a few years to get stronger and
learn to play NFL techniques.
Hey, didn't you know that according to several posters on this board, the Bills are supposed to pick first round starters in all seven rounds of the draft and each one must contribute right away? Thus explains the projections for Jasper.
Seriously though, he is an interesting prospect who may eventually end up being that late round steal of the year but I agree it is way too early to predict what any of the picks will perform like. There's tons of work left to do and we still need a CBA and free agency. If we get these early enough and we get a few wise FA signings then I will be a little more at ease with the "enthusiastic" optimism.
One step at a time please, one step at a time, and as long as the steps are in the right direction.
P.S. Merriman and a couple of others are unproven, wait and see guys and it could go either good or bad.
Agreed, some folks' expectations of rookies are way out of touch with reality. Charley Casserly did a study
recently looking at the drafts of the previous 10 years. With a successful draft pick defined as someone who
is starting 4 years after his selection, Casserly said the success rate by round was:
1st round: 75% probability of success
2nd round: 50% probability of success
3rd round: 25%
and it goes down significantly from there.
There is also a contingent of folks who don't seem to understand that the team didn't have an infinite number
of draft picks. The didn't pick a QB, they didn't pick any OLBs,....
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Has anybody considered VY? We wont have to trade for him....
PS I could honeslty see Chan wanting to go after him, seeing as how they love any mobile QB available.
I think that they love guys who put their all into playing and preparing more than they love mobile
QBs. Vince Young has proven that he isn't a leader and doesn't want to prepare to succeed. He does
have "elite" physical skills, but that wasn't enough to convince Tennessee to keep him. I can't think
of any other QB who had great physical skills, but didn't work hard on preparation, who succeeded
in another location after failing at his first stop. Maybe I am missing a few guys who did?
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Heres the latest pic of troup.
If he really is weighing in at that amount I am impressed as it looks to be muscle!
Looking strong and in pretty good shape for a NT!
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I never could understand this ridiculous mentality. Under no circumstances whatsoever to you accept defeat. You never stop trying to get better this year in hopes that next year you can possibly get a high draft pick. What if we win 10 games and then lose Fitz at the end of the season? There goes your high draft pick. You go after the best players you can put on the field when you have the opportunity to do so and you worry about next year, next year.
I don't disagree, if the team is going to be competitive. However, look at the Pats and Jets in this division. Do you honestly think
in Ryan Fitzpatrick's ultra-dream season with the Bills' supporting cast that they have a chance to win this division or even compete
as a wild-card?
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GRJ I hear ya, but when you consider that really don't have a RT and Ziemba was still on the board why did we draft another CB?
I think I am right with the draft order, but I am going off of memory so I could be mistaken.
Because they drafted that "another CB" in round 6? Really, after the 2nd,3rd or 4th round, they should be picking whomever
they think has an outside shot of being a decent backup and special teams player, regardless of position. Look back over
the last 10 years at the percentage of late-round draftees who have actually started any respectable number of games other
than because of horrible injuries in front of them. I don't think you will like the picture and it may cause you to say "hey, they
thought that the 5th round RB might be able to play a few snaps a game at RB and play special teams effectively - good pick
regardless of who was in front of them".
I didnt like the Troup selection at all, seemed like a complete reach by a team that needed a NT and missed out of the one they wanted (Williams)
I like everyone else am a big fan of Kyle Williams but he simply isnt a 3-4 NT and gets pushed around too much
You didn't like the "selection at all" based on what? Was it the web-sites and draft mags? Those sources don't spend 1/100th of the time
and energy scouting players that any NFL team does. If you didn't like the Troup selection, you didn't like the Pats' draft this year, either.
I,for one, am not going to criticize Bill Belichick and the Pats.
For those that are upset that the Bills "wasted a 5th round pick on a RB when it wasn't a need", guess you would've hated the Pats'
selection of Tom Brady in the 6th years ago. They already had Bledsoe, they didn't "need" a QB.
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Fitz turns 29 in November he's still got 4-6 years of elite level play in front of himself
Boy, I've seen "elite" over-used and then there is this. Fitz is a stop-gap based on what he has
shown to date in his NFL career. Is there a chance that he shows that he is better this year? Yes,
and I'd be thrilled because I root for him. BUT, based on what I've seen so far, he isn't a good
starter, let alone an "elite" NFL QB.
Still, I don't think that they should bring in a good NFL backup. If Fitz gets hurt, the team will
truly flail with Brown or Brohm at QB. Is that such a bad thing? They appear to have enhanced
the D this offseason. With a year of experience last year's and this year's rookie defenders will
hopefully gel and make a pretty good D. If the QBs suck (if Fitz gets hurt), the Bills will pick
high again with the makings of a solid D already in place. Not bad, given that the team will
not vie for a playoff spot in this division this year, no matter what (unless Brady and Sanchez
break their legs in game 1 and a lot of other crap happens).
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I've been fanatically following the draft for >20 years now and as best I can tell based on my
favorite draft "scouting services" (ProFootballWeekly and GM Jr - Russ Lande was an NFL scout
for Cleveland ant Stl.), the Bills did well and addressed needs. One thing that I've learned
over the years of following the draft is that every team has a different draft board based on
skills/traits coveted, schemes and needs (among other things). The draft prognosticators
and websites seem to do a pretty good job of identifying the to 15-20 players and are OK
up until a little into the 2nd round. Once the 2nd round starts, there are many "reaches", but
who is right? The NFL teams that spend $millions scouting the players or the the draft services
who scout their own players with significantly less resources or the purely "media" web sites
who go by what they are fed by NFL "sources" and what other sites say?
IMHO, I hated the idea that they might take Cam Newton. He might be great, but to me he has
never demonstrated the skills that make great NFL QBs (fast decision making, hitting receivers
that are open by an inch). I agree that he has ALL of the PHYSICAL tools and then some to succeed.
I just don't think, based on the academic cheating and other off-field transgressions, that he is
a slam-dunk to be a good NFL QB. To me, he is the anti-Ryan Fitzpatrick. Now, I don't think
Fitz can lead this team to the Super Bowl w/o an all-time great D, but in terms of building a
good team, I agree with the Bills' moves.
I love the idea of Dareus at #3. He has the potential to significantly upgrade the Bills' run D. I
expect that he will play 3-4 DE, so teams could run away from him, but at least the Bills will
know that and can slant additional run help that way..
I am so-so on Aaron Williams in round 2. I know he was rated a borderline round 1 pick, but
I am not sure where he plays. If he becomes an answer at CB or S, then this is a good pick.
In round 3, I loved the Kelvin Sheppard selection. Given that the Bills staff coached him for a week,
could they possibly know any more about a prospect?
Round 4: Russ Lande liked DaNorris Searcy and S was a need position. He is reportedly big and
has some coverage skills associated with smaller safeties. OT Hairston was someone who I liked
based on ProFootballWeekly's analysis.
I liked what I read about RB Johnny White's football temperament and special teams ability along
with his production at RB with limited opps.
Beyond that, I am intrigued by the Bills' last pick, Michael Jasper. That they even know who this
guy is is a testament to the thoroughness of their scouting. He has the ht, weight, strength
of a potential contributor and looks to have much better athleticism than a 380 pounder should.
I think he is a long-shot, but has a chance to contribute in the next couple years, provided that
he really sets his mind to it.
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I find it weird that in his introductory press conference, Nix went out of his way to point out he's not enamored by 1 year wonders, then we find out he was enamored by a 1 year wonder QB-the most dangerous player to pick among 1 year wonders. The only thing I can get out of what he said earlier, was that he was trying to say he wasn't responsible for the Maybin pick, and he really doesn't have a standard against 1 year wonders.
The fact that Nix has contradicted himself about a basic draft philosophy is worrisome.
Every player and circumstance is unique. I think that it is good that they don't have a "basic blanket policy" against
players who had one year of success. Now, I wouldn't have liked Newton at the 3rd overall pick. I happen to agree
with you that he will be a major bust, but who is to say we are right?
Poz signs with Jax, 6 years $7.5M/year reported
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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With Poz saying that it would be irresponsible to not test free agency, I say that he is as good as gone.
Too bad, because it will leave yet another gaping hole in an already putrid defense. Their LBs are the worst group
in the NFL, UFL and possibly even the Arena League. Losing their only NFL-calibre LB would be a huge blow and
there are no viable replacements available (that I see) in FA.
The Bills really need to make a BIG push to re-sign Poz before the FA period hits.
Just my $.02 worth...