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I'm sure Gaily has a player from this years draft in mind that he has hand picked as the QB he wants to be brought in for him to groom. I'm expecting the Bills to trade back into the late first round to snag Tebow or Colt McCoy.
I think it is a big assumption that there is ANYONE in the draft (aside from Bradford) who Gailey wants to "groom". There
is a difference between coaching up someone with talent and trying to take a no-talent and make them acceptable with
a ton of coaching.
Other than Bradford, there are only 2 QBs that seem like they *might* have enough skill/talent to be "groomed" into
a starting NFL QB. Clausen with the questions about his arrogance/leadership and Tebow with the questions about his
ability to develop a NFL-calibre release and to learn to read complex defenses in a NFL offense.
The rest of the QBs are such long-shots to ever amount to anything in the NFL, that I'd just as soon pass on them all. The
Bills already have a cast of 3 mediocre QBs, why add more like that?
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not really a dream draft you'd be 1st round talent in 2 and 3 and top 5 at pick 9.
??? Where's the "first round talend in 2 and 3"? Cody will be lucky to be picked in the second, but MAYBE
could slide into the late first, but no way the 5'8" 165 lb-ish McCluster is a 1st round talent (or even 2nd).
Really don't like that as a dream draft because there is no OL help and they already have McCluster on
the roster (Roscoe Parrish). Not a big fan of Cody's, either, but he is probably the 2nd best NT prospect in
a draft that is weak at NT (good at 4-3 DTs, but not NTs).
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I can't see him making it past Jacksonville at 10 let alone making it to 41. I will say I bet there is discussion on taking him at 9 by the braintrust, it all depends on if Gailey thinks he can fix his delivery which I think he can.
B word and whine all you want, he is a leader, he is a winner and he is the type of player that can will a team to win and THAT is the thing that has been most lacking on this team for a long time. We have read the articles on how the Pistol offense helps young QB's. We have read how Gailey has done more with less of a QB than Tebow. If the delivery can be fixed, then this kid SHOULD be our pick.
I don't know whether Tebow will ever be a successful QB in the NFL, but everything I've read suggests it will
be a struggle for him to get to that level. All of his leadership and intangibles will evaporate quickly if he has
to sit for a year or two while he changes his delivery and learns to read an NFL defense. Likewise, nobody will
be following him if he is throwing ducks and getting picked off by NFL defensive backs due to his slow delivery.
Just my opinion, but I'd not even consider Tebow (or any QB besides Bradford) in round 1 this year. I could be
OK with Tebow in the 2nd, but I thik there will be better players available at other positions of need.
I hope that I am wrong about Tebow, someone who is willing to work as hard as he reportedly does is hard to
root against, but I just don't feel comfortable betting a high #1 pick on a gamble like him.
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If there is a run on offensive tackles ...
However, supposing that your scenario pans out, I think the best bet is for Buffalo to take the best NT available. I think Dan Williams will be there at #9 and Buffalo should take him. If not, trade back and stockpile another second and/or third round pick, where we can get solid NFL ready guys at positions of need.
I'd agree, but I am not a big Dan Williams fan and I don't think he will be a major impact player at NT in the NFL. He
was really only good for 1 year in college. His own coach said he'd be lucky to get drafted prior to last season. Big
risk on a guy who is mainly a run-plugger and not dominant at that.
NT is definitely a need, I just don't see the value of reaching for someone like Williams. Other's may disagree and
think Williams is worthy of such a high pick. If the Bills' scouts view him that highly, then it could be the pick.
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You guys kill me. You think we MUST get a 'name' first round LT. Lets try this again...
The last 4 teams to play in the superbowl, you know that thing we want to win, did NOT have one of those LT's. Teams like Cleveland, Denver have probowl LT's but their QB's suck and they didn't even make the playoffs.
next, The stud LT in SanDiego is a SECOND round draft pick that was found by guess who? Buddy Nix.
Lastly, we took an undrafted TE and turned him into a top 15 LT in this league. If your scouting is good we can find a quality, starting LT in rounds 2-4.
And LT's are NOT as high a priority as QB is in this league anymore.
No disagreement on the importance of QB vs. LT, but I don't see a QB worth picking that high (ie, one that will solve
the QB problems the Bills have). Some like Clausen, I don't like what I've read about him and I think it would be a
big big gamble to pick him at 9. QBs must have leadership/intangibles in addition to being physically good passers.
From what I've read, there is at least a significant question about Clausen's leadership and intangibles.
Too much risk for me, but that's just my opinion.
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I like the idea of drafting Iupati. It would really help to solidify our offensive line whether we get an OT or not later on. I guess the only problem I might have with it is if they pass up a chance to draft an elite pass rusher to take anyone else. Those are players we need now and are hard to get. If Morgan is that guy, you have to take him when you get the chance. Same would go if they thought another player was the best pass rusher.
I haven't seen Morgan described as an elite pass rusher. The impression I get from the reports that I've
read is that he is a good all-around DE, capable of playing the run very well and not a bad pass rusher - just
not elite. I do know that he had a fair number of sacks last year, but those numbers can be deceiving.
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The thing is... I think lots of the teams ahead of the Bills are going to select a tackle
St Louis-QB Sam Bradford
Detroit-DT Ndamukong Sue
Tampa Bay-DT Gerald McCoy
Washington-O Tackle-Russell Okung
Kansas City-O Tackle Trent Williams
Seattle-O Tackle-Brian Bulaga
Cleveland-Jimmy Clausen
Oakland-O Tackle-Bruce Campbell
Buffalo...
My only fear is that if the top tackles are gone at #9 they draft a defensive player.
Why is that your fear? It isn't like the defense wasn't AWFUL against the run last year. The defense
needs significant upgrade, too.
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I like Tate and think he improved his physical play last season, but I would be wary of drafting another small WR when we've already tied up a lot in Evans. But mostly, I think the weaknesses in other areas are so significant that the Bills simply can't afford to spend any picks in the first 4-5 rounds on WR/RB/DB.
I agree that there are major weaknesses at other positions, but really, the Bills have only 1 #1, 2 and 3 WR and his
name is Lee Evans. NOBODY else on the roster has caught more than a handful of passes in their NFL careers. I am
not advocating taking a WR in the 1st 2 rounds, BUT, it is probably as big of a need as any other position on the
roster. That being said, it is probably easier to find an older FA that can be at least moderately servicable at WR
than at LT and NT.
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Why all the excitement about getting Jared Gaither and why does anyone think he is worth a 2nd, let alone more?
He is a big tall OT (note I didn't say good LT) and he is young, but he was also noted for not working very hard
just a few years ago coming out of college and I don't think he has proven that he is a special tackle in the NFL.
If he had shown that he'd be a really good LT or even RT for that matter, I can't imagine why the Ravens (one
of the most astute personell managing teams in the league) would be considering trading him.
Buyer beware.
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"2 cody althought looks like he is rising again maybe reach for thomas here we have to get a 3/4 n.t "
I think he's rising from all the yeast in the doughnuts that he's eating :-)
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In the NFL, Moreno has recorded 171 career tackles, three sacks, three forced fumbles and one interception in 15 career starts.
Isn't that pretty darn good?
If it were, he most likely wouldn't have been in the CFL. Note, the statistics say in "15 career starts", they don't say
how many games he also played in but didn't start.
Still, I am glad that they are doing their due diligence on everyone.
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It takes waaay more than a strong arm to be a successful NFL QB. 5th round or later, I have no problem with taking
a wild shot on either of these QBs, but before that I'd prefer spending picks on players at other positions who have a
chance to contribute as starters, solid backups and/or special teams players. Nothing is much more useless than a
3rd string developmental QB who is a very long-shot to amount to anything.
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I like Iupati, but I don't see where his selection solves any problems. He is a very good OG prospect, but only a so-so RT prospect. The Bills don't really have a need for another G, unless they plan to move Wood or Levitre to C, but even if that is the case they still don't have a good player at either T position. Taking a good G and moving him to T where he might be OK isn't a good plan for a #1 pick, IMHO.
I don't like Tebow in the second round - I just think he has too much work to change to think he could play this year or
even next. A couple of years on the bench will also significantly diminish his vaunted intangibles/leadership skills. Who is going to listen to a bench warmer?
I do think that you have the NT candidates at about the right spot for their value, but I am afraid that since there are
so very few NT prospects this year, that they'll go about a round earlier than they should.
I don't hate the picks, I just don't agree with them.
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Not stopping the run was indeed a big part of the loss. Not stopping the pass was too. The Giants had several very long drives where they mixed run and pass. My point is that the other 10 players on defense did not step up enough either. I can recall Talley missing a crucial 3rd down tackle that keeps a long Giants scoring drive going. I recall Bennett dropping an interception. I recall Bruce Smith, on numerous occasions, failing to contain the run because he was taking inside moves to get to the QB.
On offense we made mistakes as well. The Giants took the Andre Reed slant pattern out of the playbook and yet we kept going back to it. We came up short on 3rd down numerous times because of it. We passed too much against a 2 man line. Had we run Therman more they would have scrapped that formation and then we could have open up the passing lanes.
Lots of reasons we lost but mostly it was superb coaching and execution by the more experienced opponent. We did exactly what they expected us to do and they executed their game plan perfectly.
Agreed, you can't pin any one loss on any one player. I guess my point was that I wouldn't want to compare NT candidates using Jeff Wright as an example of a good NT. IMHO, he was definitely not one of the strengths of that defense.
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Seems a bit harsh.
I team with at least 5 Hall of Fame players on the field, plus a HoF coach, plus another 10 or so players that made pro bowls and Jeff Wright is getting the blame? Wow!
The Bills lost to the Giants because they could not stop the run. Wright was a very undersized NT who could penetrate
on occasion, but was not stout against the run.
You certainly can't blame him alone for the loss, but with a big time NT instead of Wright, I think the Bills would have
beaten the Giants.
You can disagree if you like.
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In last year's draft, everyone in the league knew the Bills needed to get a TE. All of the discussion on this board and in the mock drafts had us picking one early - second round, if I recall correctly.
The reality was, while the Bills also knew they needed a TE, they didn't love any of the prospects enough to spend a day 1 pick on them, and they also had other priorities (mainly the interior of the o-line and getting a S prospect they were really high on. I won't mention the Maybin pick here). They actually draft 5 players before selecting Shawn Nelson in Round 4, a player who fell into their lap at that point.
This year, I think QB will be similar. There are some players they probably like but don't love. In my opinion, these probably include Tebow, McCoy, Skelton, Snead, LeFevour and Z. Robinson.
I think what they do is focus on their priorities for at least the first 3 rounds - OT, OLB, speedy playmaker (i.e. waterbug scatback) and / or NT.
Then, starting in round 4, they start thinking about who has fallen hard at QB. Maybe Tebow, maybe Lefevour. We'll see.
But this is how I expect it to go. I definitely do not expect, with this weak QB class, for Nix to reach in round 1 or round 2 for a QB. I'm not in love with either of these QBs. But if you get then in Round 4 / 5, that works. Just don't waste a second round pick on one of them.
I don't like the idea of a QB in this class in rounds 1-3. I don't really think it is worth wasting a 4th or 5th on "whoever
is left over at QB" either. If they aren't going big with a round 1 QB (and I hope that they don't), then spend the picks
on better players at other positions. Almost none of these 3rd, 4th, 5th round QBs ever amount to anything and some
players picked at other positions in those rounds do pan out to be contributors - at least on special teams. Please spare
me the "what about 6th round Tom Brady and 3rd round Joe Montana" comments. Those guys are very very rare.
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Bottom line...?
We NEED to draft Terrance Cody...even if we have to trade back into the end of the 1st to get him.
I will NOT be happy if the Jets, Patriots or Dolphins end up with him...I have a feeling he will be a game-changer.
You don't play for Nick Saban if you are THAT out of shape and cannot produce...this guy has "it" as a 3-4 NT.
We have to disagree on this one. Terrence Cody is a very risky pick in even the 2nd round, let alone trading
up into the 1st round for a fat out-of-shape part-time player. Of course, that is just my opinion and I'd not
be shocked if some team took him in the late first, but I'd just as soon it not be the Bills. Really, how much
can you spend on a player who might only be capable of 20 snaps a game and won't ever play on 3rd
downs because he has ZERO pass rush ability. He is so slow he couldn't get a sack even if nobody blocked
him at all.
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I agree with the general premise of this post. If the Bills don't think that any of the remaining OTs are legitimate
very good LT candidates, then they should pass and pick a better player at another position (Unless they really
want a RT, too - they have to know that Cornell Green is not a long-term answer).
Players that I'd consider at other positions include:
LB Sergio Kindle - top pass rushing 3-4 OLB candidate, no questions about effort, intensity, instincts or production
DE Derrick Morgan - Good effort, solid all around DE - only if Bills think he fits their 3-4 scheme
Brandon Grahm DE/OLB - Good effort and pass rushing ability, brings size to LB corp
Rolando McClain - I don't like him as much as others here, but there could be much worse choice than him.
Mike Iupati - G/RT - Love the nastiness, size, strength, but only a viable choice if they think he can play RT - know he isn't a good LT candidate.
Outside candidates for me would be:
Bruce Campbell - no knocks on effort, attitude or athletic ability. Concerned that he has only a year and a bit of starting experience in college.
DE Jason Pierre-Paul - freak athlete, same concerns as with Campbell.
Don't like Clausen or any of the other QBs, I think they are a waste of a draft choice this year as we'll be looking to replace them again in a few years.
Not a big fan of picking CJ Spiller - nothing against him, but he's a bit undersized and will likely need to be platooned
to be effective. Compared to Reggie Bush and I wouldn't spend the #9 pick this year to get a Reggie Bush clone.
I'd love them to get a good NT, but the only 1st round guy is Dan Williams and I think #9 is at least 10-15 spots too high for Williams.
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Jeff Wright was one of the reasons that the Bills didn't win one of the Super Bowls they were in.
All good 3-4 defenses have a very good NT and while I like Kyle Williams very much as a player, I
don't think he is going to be an outstanding NT to anchor a good 3-4 defense.
Unfortunately, there aren't very many real 3-4 NT candidates in this years draft (at least good ones)
and due to the shortage they will all likely be picked higher than their ability warrants. I am especially
afraid of Terrence Cody and his lack of work ethic/effort. I think Dan Williams will be taken almost a
full round ahead of where he should be and I don't think any of the rest of the NT candidates are
worth more than a 3rd/4th round pick (all based on the reports I've read).
So, they may be forced to play Kyle Williams at NT this year and he'll probably be "OK" there, but
he would be better (I think) at DE or as a backup/change of pace NT behind a big NT.
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Vick is 32 and is not the same level athlete he was "back when". He never was a good passer and I think his running
will be significantly less effective now that he is older. What's to like?
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Well thought out, but neither Iupati nor Ducasse are likely to play LT well and I am not even sure they are
RT material. So (based on what I've read), you'd have an OL of a C and 4 Gs.
I know that some have speculated that Iupati and Ducasse might be able to move to T, but man I'd hate to
see those early picks spent on hoping that these guys from lower level colleges could move from G to T (
especially finding a LT from them).
Just my opinion. By the way, I'd have no serious problem if they think Iupati is the best player available
and want to try him at RT and if he wasn't good enough, put him back at G and move Wood or Levitre to
C. BUT, that still leave the team without a legitimate LT.
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McNabb is an old-man QB. Yes, he was good in his prime and yeah he's still better than Trent, Fitz or Brohm.
BUT, I would not even remotely consider trading the Bills' 2nd for a 34 y.o. QB. IF this team was just a QB away from
being a serious playoff contender (like the Jets were before last year), then I'd consider it. The reality is that this
is a very young team that is completely changing their defensive scheme and has MANY personnel holes to fill with
an all new coaching staff to boot.
They need to fill OLT, ORT (I know Green is the stop-gap), NT, at least one LB position, a WR, hope that Wood comes back
100% and also find a QB. Trading a high draft pick for an old QB means not addressing one of those need positions
early in the draft and also, by the time the Bills are able to fill in those gaps, McNabb will be retiring (or at least way
on the downside of his career).
If the Bills make a trade like that, who would McNabb throw to? They have Lee Evans and who else? How would McNabb
look throwing behind the seive-like OL that the Bills have?
I don't like the idea.
Now, if they'd take Whitner and a late pick for McNabb, I'd consider it.
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Bad idea. I would hate to see this trade happen.
Build the friggin' OL and DL, for goodness sake.
No more castoff QBs!
AGREED!
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Outside of a 1st round pick to get a LT, what picks do we really need? It's not like rds 2-7 have any guaranteed pro-bowlers. Why not trade for a guy who might have 3-5 years left and give the team a ligit shot at the playoffs, instead of hoarding picks so that we can win 3-4 games next year?
PS: Gailey saying he wants the QB settled before the draft indicates he wants someone other than the current 3 & does not want to go to camp with the open QB competition. I don't know if he's thinking McNabb or someone else, but he's not thinking his QB will be named Trent, Ryan or Brian.
Why not? Because at 34, McNabb does not have "3-5 years left". McNabb has at most 1 or 2 years left in his tank and he won't be as effective behind a swiss-cheese OL in Buffalo as he's been in Philly.
"Outside of a 1st round pick for a LT, what do we really need?" How about NT, a couple LBs, a WR or two, a young QB and maybe some DEs and a TE.
This team is not 1 player away from the playoffs and even if they were, I wouldn't be excited to part with high draft choices for an old QB that might have 1 more run in him.
Clausen vs an OT
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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No, you don't HAVE to take him. Clausen is definitely not an elite QB prospect. I'll grant that he is an OK to good QB
prospect, but comparing him to Kelly coming out of school is off the mark (IMHO).