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While I agree that the Bills should take a top QB if one is available, I don't think that they
have the margin of error to take Cam Newton in round 1. Yes, he is a tremendous athlete. No,
I am not terribly worried about the fact that he or his father tried to make financial gains
during his recruitment.
What has me concerned with Newton is the following:
1. He has only played 1 year of Division 1 football. Is he a one-year wonder who would not
have played as well next year when NCAA defenses devise better ways to handle him? With
the one-year wonder bust of Aaron Maybin fresh in our minds, I'd just as soon stay clear
of Newton in round 1.
2. He plays in a non-traditional spread offense and rarely took a snap under center. Does
he have the foot-work and ability to read NFL defenses that will be needed to excell? I
know that he does not have that today, and I am not sure that he can develop it. Too much
of a gamble (IMHO) in round 1 for this team.
3. NCAA QBs who make their living primarily as runners don't often pan out in the NFL. I
look at Newton and see Vince Young, if the team that drafts Newton is lucky. How much of
a running threat is Young in the NFL? Not much of one. Teams take away his running ability
through scheme and dare him to beat them passing which he hasn't yet shown he can do. (And
Young has a GREAT RB playing with him).
I'd much rather see them take someone who has produced for several seasons at a high level
in college. I also would LOVE to see defensive help first. I can take watching a bad
offense much more easily than I can watch a defense that can't stop the run at all. This
defense is world-class bad and is painful to watch.
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I am not a C.J. Spiller "hater", but I am concerned by his inability
to earn playing time. His ball security has been poor and he has shown
little as the receiving threat that he supposedly is.
Does that mean he is a bust? No, but it is a concern. I like what I've
read about his attitude and effort, so I think that there is hope and
he certainly has physical tools, so I'll try to remain optimistic.
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Now that it sounds like we are cutting ties with whitner. Any way we can make a move for the guy we should have taken at his pick? I just notice he is a free agent as well. Maybe they franchise him. Man that would be sweet.
First, Ngata will be franchised by Baltimore if they have any sense at all.
The ONLY hope the Bills have of getting Ngata is calling "the Doc" from Back To
The Future and going back in time and taking Ngata instead of Whitner in that draft.
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I think to do as suggested risks undoing a lot of good that Chan Gailey has done this year.
This team is seriously lacking in talent, yet has been surprisingly competitive in most
games. I believe that this is due to one big thing that Gailey has done:
He has played veterans ahead of rookies until the rookies are better RIGHT NOW than
the vets. This has kept the vets engaged knowing that they'll play as long as they
are the best option and teaches the rookies that they must EARN their playing tim - a
valuable lesson that they would have to learn sooner or later anyway.
I think the above also does some other important things such as:
1. teaching that the expectation is to win NOW, not suffer through growing pains
where possible.
2. shows the team who is in charge (Gailey).
With regard to the young players mentioned:
* I wonder how many fumbles Spiller would have if he had 20 carries. Only being
partially sarcastic there, but he hasn't earned the touches and it would undermine
what I described above.
* I don't think Troup has played that poorly and he is getting a fair number of
snaps. Playing more snaps this week won't help him as much as a full offseason
of weight training and more coaching on the nuances of leverage and cheating in
the NFL trenches.
* I think Carrington has earned his playing time and also had it defaulted to him
by injuries.
* Wang was injured for a long time early this year and may still lack the conditioning
from that time. At least, we should hope that is the case. It DOES typically take
OL longer to "get it" than most other positions, so there is still hope.
* Too bad David Nelson and Shawn Nelson are too injured to play. David surely earned
more playing time and I don't know about Shawn. I was disappointed that he missed
a lot of time this year to injury and suspension - he never really recovered from
that (and his fumble late against (?).
* Regarding Brohm, I don't think that you can consider sitting Fitzpatrick after that
disasterous game unles you have ZERO thought of him being your starter next year. If
there is any doubt at all that they will take a QB at #1, then Fitz HAS to start this
game to try to rebuild some confidence (for him and his teammates).
* Maybin and McCargo aren't even worth discussing other than hoping that the scouts
who advocated drafting them are riding out of town on the same bus as them.
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The Pats have also been the MASTERS at trading "this year's" round X pick for next year's round x-1 pick. That
is, trade a 2nd this year for some team's 1st next year. They have 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds this
year. The extra first is from fleecing the Raider's first pick for an aging and injured Richard Seymour. I don't
remember where the extra 2nd and 3rd came from, but it was likely from trading a 3rd last year for a 2nd this year
and a 4th last year for a 3rd this year.
Of course, that is easier to do when your team is already very good, but that's how it is done.
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2 DEs and 3 LBs that are better than what we have right now. As many have said many times, the front 7 is very weak.
While I do agree that Fitzpatrick isn't an elite QB, I agree that the defense is SO woeful that almost
every pick should be spent there again. The only LB on the roster that could start for a good Division 1
college team is Poz and maybe Moats. I have hope for Carrington at DE, but Stroud is miscast at DE and
is past his illustrious prime.
This team has ZERO pass rush and no identity on defense. They can't play the 3-4 that they want to play,
yet still suck (just a little less) when they play 4-3. They can't stop the run to save their lives and
with no pass rush they are wasting some talent in the defensive secondary.
I know that there are better QBs that Fitzpatrick and I know that the team needs a RT, perhaps a LT, a
good TE and maybe another WR, but for my money, I would try to build a solid defense and live with
Fitzpatrick again next year at QB.
I just don't see a QB worthy of a top 10 selection and that will improve the Bills. I LOVE Andrew Luck's
game. I think he is the next great QB, but he will be long gone by the Bills' pick. I don't like Mallet
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physical tools and Fitz' mind, THEN you have a QB! I also am afraid of Cam Newton. I just feel that
there is too big a chance that he is the next Vince Young to pick him that high when our defense is so
abysmal.
I wouldn't mind if they wanted to spend a middle round pick on a smart QB like Moore from Boise St, but
realistically, those guys don't pan out very often either, so I'd rather spend the top 3 picks shoring
up an embarassingly bad defense.
Just my $.02 worth...
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He is far more valuable to the Bills than the 3rd or 4th round pick that they
might be able to get for him - unless they decide that he just isn't worth
the big money that they'll have to pay him.
Evan's trade value just isn't very high, so they are better off keeping him (IMHO).
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I would certainly like to see Spiller earning more carries and be a target for a
pass or two a game, but he really hasn't done poorly at all when he has gotten
chances. 4.1 ypc is pretty respectable, especially behind an OL that has *maybe*
one starting-calibre OT and has had a lot of injuries lately.
I wouldn't write Spiller off yet, but I think there is cause for concern that
he isn't getting many opportunities. That is usually a sign that the coaches
don't like what they see in practices and meetings, however, I think it might be
that Gailey is adament about making rookies earn their playing time over the vets.
I think that is a good strategy for building good teamwork and will help the
rookies be accountable and learn to work like a pro- an important lesson. I think
that if Gailey had just tossed the rookies in ahead of vets that were better
at the time (due to their advantage in experience), this team wouldn't be showing
the fight that it has shown.
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Look guys & gals, this team has a lot of average level talent, a couple guys above average, and inevitably some mediocre guys...(mediocre=average or slightyl below it). We are a couple key contributers away from being a playoff level franchise. For instance, if we get ONE guy on each of the OL, DL, & LB positions, the level of play of the rest of the guys raises and all of a sudden our "lack of talent, overachievers" are a solid team. I'm not saying we're definitely going to the playoffs next year, but if we have a good offseason, its not as far fetched an idea as some may think.
My opinion is that they need significant upgrades at:
1 OLB - I think Moats might be a starting caliber player, but nobody else
on the roster should be starting in the NFL at OLB
1 ILB - There needs to be another good ILB next to Poz if they are staying w the 3-4.
TE - There is ZERO threat from the Bills TEs. The D doesn't even need to cover them.
OT - MAYBE Demetrius Bell can be an OK starter at LT or possibly RT, but they must find
a good starter for the other T position.
DE - Stroud may not be back next year and I'm not sure that he is playing that well
anyway. Maybe Carrington can be one DE with Dwan Edwards on the other side.
I can live with Fitz at QB next year, but I still haven't seen enough from him to
believe that he is an upper-eschelon starting QB in the NFL. Maybe he'll continue
to develop - he's the kind of guy that you want to pull for, but he may not have
enough natural talent to be a top-flight starter.
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VERY true...
Thing is if you had a re-Draft all of those guys would go high in the 1st Round...Brady, Montana and Favre would go #1 overall...So while it's true that great, Hall Of Fame QB's can be had outside the 1st Round, it's also true that the reason for that is crappy Scouting throughout the league...I often here "no one could have know this one or that one was going to be great." Well...Is it not their job to know?...Just saying...
My opinion only, but the challenge to scouting QBs is that most of the guys that look good in college
are playing on great teams (because they were top recruits to begin with). Their OL is superior, their WRs
are open by 5 yards instead of the few inches separation that Pro receivers often get, the run
game that supports them is usually very good.
Because of the above, you often can't get a good feel for how they read defenses, how quickly they can
make decisions and go through their progressions. You can't tell if they have the mental game, etc.
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J.D. Williams had some good games too. Just sayin' . . .
Ah, I remember J.D. Williams too. Not a bad comparison really. I am still
hopeful that McKelvin will continue to improve. He really has tremendous
athletic ability and he isn't afraid to tackle even though he isn't that
big. I don't think he will ever be a great CB, but I think that
he can be a good-very good starting NFL CB.
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Leodis McKelvin has had his share of struggles, but I still see flashes of a good player
in him. I do think that he is a tremendous athlete and that he tries hard. I think that
he usually has good coverage, but doesn't seem to sense the ball in the air to make pass
breakups - but there are decent/good CBs in the NFL that are the same way. I don't think
that he'll ever be the star that they were hoping that he'd be when they picked him high
in round 1, but he isn't awful either (but I admit that when he makes a mistake it is
often a BIG mistake).
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I don't understand why so many are attacking the original poster. You may not agree with
his assessment that Fitzpatrick is too inaccurate, but the post was articluate and stated
an opinion.
I haven't completely made up my mind regarding Fitzpatrick, but I do think that he throws
a lot of passes that aren't really where they should be. He has a lot that sail high and
some are pretty wide of their target. That isn't to say that he never throws dead-on
accurate passes (as he did to Johnson in the end zone in OT).
Is Fitzpatrick the reason that they are losing this year? No. Is he the answer going
forward? I don't know, but if he is, unless he improves his accuracy he will be at best
the 3rd best QB in this 4 team division (behind Brady and Sanchez).
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**MAYBE** on offense they aren't far away from respectability, but they are woeful on defense, particularly
against the run. Perhaps 3 new LBs and hopefully the maturation and improvement of Troup and Carrington
will be enough to get them to respectability on D. The pass rush is also abysmal, so at least one of the
new LBs needs to have very good pass rushing skills.
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Man you guys are brutal. Everyone can have a bad day. I admit that catch had to be made though. Oh well he won last weeks game.
True enough, but by being out there in the public eye with all sorts of PR appearances and
calling attention to himself, he now has to suffer the results of a horrendous performance.
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Why so sloppy?
Stevie Johnson was terrible today. He personally lost the game by dropping a perfect pass
that would have ended the game in OT. He also had 4 other drops, including one that went
through his hands that Polamalu intercepted to end a Bills scoring threat.
We might have witnessed the end of the miraculous run that Stevie had from nobody to
somebody. I wonder if he has the mental toughness to recover from this disasterous
game.
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I love the effort, toughness and resiliency of this team. HOWEVER, they still have a SIGNIFICANT talent
gap as compared to playoff-level teams. It is important and significant that they seem to have changed
the player culture this year. In the offseason, they still have more holes to fill than can be reasonably
expected, but they could be a .500 team next year with the right pieces added.
I think that Troup and Carrington will be functional, solid additions to the D next year. I think the
defensive backfield is already quite good. Big improvement on defense hinges on really improving the
LB corp. They need at least 1 legitimate feared pass rusher at 1 OLB spot. The other OLB position
needs an upgrade over Kelsay in terms of overall game. At ILB, it would be nice, though not imperative
to have an upgrade over Andra Davis next to Poz. If they can accomplish those things, the D can be
fair-to-midland.
I'd love to believe in Fitzpatrick and I haven't completely formed my opinion yet, but he still looks like
a top backup/low-end starting QB to me. Yes, he plays with heart, effort, leadership and intelligence, but
he is not a very accurate passer and throws too many picks at very inopportune times. That being said, the
players seem to really love playing with him and he is young enough to possibly continue developing into
a good starting QB (still, hard to think he'll ever be more than the worst starting QB in the division with
Brady and Sanchez likely always being well above him).
The team NEEDS at least a decent TE. I wanted to believe in Shawn Nelson - and maybe you can write off
his lack of contribution this year to injury/suspension, but he does not look like the answer, so far. Other
teams boast TEs that make 4-5 catches a game and keep drives alive with important catches. Look at Dustin
Keller in NY and Hernandez and Gronkowski in NE - imagine how much more effective Fitzpatrick could be with
a dangerous weapon like those guys to go with Evans and Johnson.
A functional RT is a must. All of these undrafted guys and rejects from other teams are not going to cut
it at RT if this team hopes to be a playoff contender.
If they can upgrade half or more of the above positions in the offseason, then they can show significant
improvement next year.
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Too many people put their thoughts up on this board like chimps flinging their own poop against a wall, and then are nowhere to be found when they're proven dead wrong. What do you say, OldTimer1960? Care to re-visit the thread that you started and take your medicine?
Here I am and happily they won the game thanks to them trying and also thanks to an EPIC collapse by the
Bengals. I don't know where you come off thinking that I am dead wrong, though. Yeah, the Bengals completely
folded and the Bills were game enough to take advantage of that. Great and I am happy that they did. I am
happy that they try hard and compete. I am happy that their coach has put some toughness into them. BUT,
don't think that this is somehow a great team. All the flaws that were there going 0-8 are still there. Some
are improving with experience (the OL, Troup and Carrington are at least playing on the DL now, Steve Johnson),
but their run defense is still truly abysmal. Lindell's out of bounds kick and missed 30 yd FG attempt would
have cost them the game against even a decent opponent. And, I love Fitzpatrick's story and heart, but I
still am not sold on him being the answer at QB for the long-term. He is a gritty, smart, hard-working QB,
but he can be wildly inaccurate. There have been a LOT of passes this year that defenders flat-out dropped
that should have been INTs. Heck, he got very lucky in this game that an INT was called back due to a
roughing the passer penalty. That could have ended the game right there as Cinci's lead could have been insurmountable.
OK, flog me for venting my frustration, but don't come off like some smug know-it-alls that you guys all had this figured out and knew that they were going to win this game.
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It takes real effort to F-up a franchise this bad. There should not be ANYONE left in the scouting
department after this season. This team is so void of talent it is ridiculous. The only two
1st round picks that are good at all in the last many years are Lee Evans and Eric Wood.
For those thinking that they should "build around Fitz", I think that he is showing why he is a
tough overachieving career-backup.
Even formerly good K Rian Lindell is now awful. How on earth do you kick the ball out of bounds
with 1:17 left? That error gave Cincinatti 3 points and if the Bengals were worth a crap, they'd
have scored 7. Way to just hand momentum right back to Cinci after a late score gave the Bills
just a little hope.
I've been a fan since the late 60s and while I admire the team's effort, they are just truly
awful and might be the worst team I have seen in those 40 some years.
Whew, I needed to vent that. I'll try to get back to being calm and rational now.
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I am completely bewildered by anyone who thinks we need a DL more than an OLB. That is just nuts. And oh, by the way, we just spent last year's 2nd and 3rd round picks on a DE and DT. Are you already calling them busts nine games into their careers?
OLB is THE #1 need on this team. There is no close second. Our OLB's are a joke.
The 2nd need is either TE or QB depending on how Fitz looks after a full season.
And if we're still playing a 3-4, then pass rusher == OLB
I absolutely agree. I don't think that the DL is bad, but the LB crew - especially the OLBs are
all backup-caliber players. In the 3-4, the majority of the pass rush is coming from the OLBs and
the Bills' weakness there is why they don't get pressure on the QB. (Yeah, I know that Bruce Smith
had a LOT of sacks as a 3-4 DE, but he was a very very special player).
Nothing against Torbor and Kelsay. I admire them for their effort, but they are not the dynamic
pass-rushing athletes that the Bills need at OLB.
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LMAO fire the DC? How about you get him some friggin talent instead of strapping him with a bunch of clowns that couldn't start for another team? This front 7 from top to bottom is the worst in football.
I agree, it is hard to blame the DC when they are trying to play a 3-4 defense with no NT and
only 1 starting-caliber NFL LB. Oh, I forgot to mention that they
have a backup DT trying to be a starting DE (Spencer Johnson).
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I'll withold judgement on this front office and coaching staff for now, because
they were presented with a completely empty cupboard. I WISH that this year's
draft choices were contributing something, especially given how utterly bad this
team is. However, a rookie is a rookie and it is too soon to give up on them.
The FA signings for this year were weak, but probably in line with the team's
ability to pay given that they are one of the lowest revenue teams in the league.
Don't for a minute think that the Bills are playing on an even playing field. When
other teams rake in 10, 20 or 50 Million $ more, it is extremely difficult to
compete with them.
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I agree that Kelsay is over-paid, but if they are going to over-pay anyone, I'd
rather it be a real tough try-hard guy like Kelsay than some fat talented, but lazy
turd like Peters. Kelsay is FAR from the biggest problem on this team and I think
they want to show that they reward those kind of players.
HOWEVER, it is an indictment of the talent level of this team when he could be
remotely considered one of their better players.
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This team couldn't win the WAC, much less the SEC. Their best hope for a win is to beat
Saskatchewan when they have them at home.
I've been watching the Bills since 1970 and this may be the WORST team that they have
ever had. I'll grant that they have had a murderous first 4 games, but they haven't even
been remotely competitive in 3 of the 4.
Realistically, this team is at least the following away from being decent:
1. A good QB
2. OLT, ORT
3. NT
4. 2 OLBs, 1 ILB
5. a starting-calibre #2 WR
6. an NFL calibre TE (they don't have a single TE that could
make another roster, much less start).
What a sad sad state this team is in.
Worse, they are getting absolutely NO contributions from this year's rookies.
Spiller might be able to help, but they refuse to use him for anything besides
kick returns and (or all things) pass blocking on 3rd downs - and he's horrible
at that.
Troup has shown absolutely nothing. With as truly horrendous as the run D is, you'd
think that if Troup had ANY talent, he'd be on the field. Gack.
Carrington also hasn't shown anything. It's extremely disappointing that he can't
even get on the field ahead of Spencer Johnson. Johnson is nothing but maybe an
adequate backup and Carrington can't carve out 10 snaps on D?
Moats looked like he *might* be just about to maybe start getting some snaps, but
he got hurt and it didn't look good.
When a team is as bad as this one is, especially on D, it is SHOCKING that their
rookies can't get playing time.
A Few Thoughts About The Game
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I haven't seen an arm like Mallet's since JP Losman (yes, he had a great arm).