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I think Sam Acho would struggle at DE in a 3-4 at 6'1.5" and 257lbs. He would most likely have to
play OLB and I can't see 2 LBs in the first 2 rounds. Not that Acho or Miller wouldn't be interesting
picks, just not both.
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If this stuff isn't true, its character assassination.
NFL player's especially QBs have to go through media training.
I doubt he had any in depth Media training on how to handle a press core that was out for blood.
It would be hard for anyone to handle these issues yes his agent should have prepared him, but it doesn't sound like his agent is doing a good job.
Looks like he might drop like a rock.
If Mallet were there at 34 it would be a no brainer pick.
I do not agree with picking him in the 2nd round. There are a lot of red flags around this
guy and even discounting those, he doesn't look like a good fit for the Bills. He is big, but
immobile and supposedly doesn't make good decisions even when given a lot of time. How
bad might he be under the constant rush that he'd face with the Bills' weak OL?
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We do need OT help, but the defense is ABYSMAL and I really hope not to watch yet another year
of them being completely gouged on the ground by every single opponent. Man, to me, that is
A LOT harder to watch than an offense handicapped by a poor OL.
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If they think any of the QBs can be another Jim Kelly, then they WILL take them at 3. However, I don't think any of them is
that good and given how WOEFUL the D is, I am expecting a defensive player at 3. IF they are VERY lucky, they might be
able to trade down and still get a good defensive front 7 player, but I'd bet against that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah people want to say he's innaccurate but the kid didn't even have a QB coach at Washington until his Junior year.
It's believed that his accuracy issues stem from having footwork problems. He's been working with a QB coach leading up to the draft to work on his work.
Here he is at the combine talking about what he hopes to accomplish and what he's been working. He seems humble, well spoken, and hard working. He has great arm strength, freakish speed for a QB, and is a natural leader. His only issue is accuracy and decision making which can be worked on. Bottom line is that he'd be a steal at 34 (if he makes it there) given his potential. He's worked in a pro style offense and doesn't have any baggage or off the field issues.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81e77291/Locker-d-and-loaded
I am intrigued by Locker, if he is available in round 2. I think that accuracy can be improved a bit, but I'm not
sure if he can improve decision making that much. I think a QB can kind of "get it" or not when it comes to
reading defenses and making quick decisions. If it could be learned (to a significant degree), then I think
Rob Johnson and JP Losman would have become good QBs because they were reasonably intelligent and
worked hard by most accounts that I've seen.
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If Cam Newton is available at #3 the Bills will draft him. As of this date there is not a defensive difference maker in the 2011 draft. There are a lot of good defensive players, but none worthy of a top 3 pick. That's why I say if available, Carolina might be thinking the same way.
How do you know that Newton is a "difference maker"? He was clearly very good in the ONE (1) year that he
started in Div 1AA, but a lot of his success came as a runner. I don't know if he will be great or not, but I
also don't think any of us knows if any of the DL will be great either.
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The only comparisons that can be made between the two are size and speed. Miller is not maybin. I hope we take cam newton, but I wouldn't be terribly upset if we took miller. He brings more to the table than a quick first step
I am with you. Miller is much faster, quicker and more athletic (ie flexible, understands leverage, etc) than Maybin.
Miller has also started and produced at a high level for 2+ years in a tough conference whereas Maybin wasn't
even going to be a starter until the guy ahead of him got suspended for drugs. Maybin had one good year and
was still pretty athletic.
I don't see the comparison except that both were a bit undersized. Interestingly, Maybin has put on significant
weight, but still can't get on the field. I take that to mean that there are more important problems for him than
being "undersized".
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1- Von Miller
2-Cameron Hayward
3-Lawrence Wilson
Boy, I'd love those first two picks. I think that would REALLY improve the defense
significantly.
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Atogwe had 1/2 the number of tackles, 2 more INTs than Whitner did last year. The Rams cut
him because he didn't live up to the big contract that he signed.
Now, I am not saying that Atogwe isn't as good as Whitner, but I don't see a huge upgrade
there. Money required to sign each would be a significant factor in choosing one over
the other (IMHO).
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The bar for acceptable OL play is set a bit higher in Miami. Sparano was an OL coach for Parcells and they drafted a LT #1 overall 3 years ago.
I think it's a bit of a reach to suggest that Nix is a shrewd judge of OL talent because he didn't re-sign a player who a better team wasn't satisfied with.
After all, Nix is the guy who signed Cornell Green to start at RT. Can you imagine anyone else in the AFC East doing that? Me neither.
He also let Jonathon Scott walk and the guy ended up starting for the AFC Champions. Not trying to dog Nix, but at best the jury is still out on his decision making.
I am not commenting necessarily on Nix's talent judgement (though he has been in the league a long time).
Perhaps Jonathan Scott could fill the job in Pittsburgh because there was better talent around him to make
up for his short-comings? I also think that Scott was starting as an injury fill-in.
Cornell Green absolutely was not a great pickup, but I am pretty sure that they were hoping to get a year
as a stop-gap not a long-term starter out of the 34 yo journeyman. That didn't work out very well, but
when trying to build from the ground up, you can't fix every problem over night.
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Picking a defensive player in the first round who doesn't fit your defense is about a smart as picking a running back in the first round when you've already got Lynch and Jackson on the roster.
It isn't quite as black and white as this, in my opinion. Most players have only played in one system in college, but
that doesn't mean that they can't (or necessarily can) learn and do well at another system. That's the thing with the
draft - every player is a projection of some sort - step up in competition, change in scheme, etc.
I agree, that there is less risk in picking a player whom you have seen play the same scheme/position that he
will in the NFL. However, to discount players projecting to other schemes or positions would be ignoring many
great players. Again, just my $.02 worth.
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I have a different take on the situation. Ralph left his team in the hands of failures. Donahoe had a good pedigree coming from Pitt., but he blew his best opportunities by selecting bad players such as Mike Williams and JP Losman.
So, he turned to Marv, someone who no other owner would have touched. I mean really. Marv and Jauron were inept beyond description. They "rebuilt" this franchise around small, weak, dime a dozen draft choices, and squandered 75 million dollars or so on linemen who clearly sucked. Unthinkable? Not to these two losers.
OK, so Ralph, at age 91, doesn't know how to build a football team. But, he knows how to make money. So in an attempt to do so, he selects Spiller after purging us of Dick Levy . He commented how Spiller would "add excitement" to the team. This move of course was a total failure. You don't build a team by using your best resources on gadget players at #9. Spiller is a tiny little scatback who is all but useless on a small, weak team.
Now he wants a quarterback. This time he is right in terms of making a profit/selling tickets. He will even be right in terms of building a football team if there is a worthy qb to be taken at #3.
I really hope this works. Bills fans are a loyal, great group of people and are deserving of better than the idiocy that we have been subject to. Imo there is a far better chance under Nix and Gailey to build this team than there was under Dick Levy, and now is the time.
GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spiller is not tiny. he is 5'11" and 195 (or more) with dynamic speed. I still believe that he will figure it out
and have a strong impact. At 21-22 y.o, he is nearly as big as Thurman Thomas. He has a good work ethic,
so I think he'll get it.
I don't think that 91 y.o. Ralph Wilson is all that tied up in profits. I do think he doesn't want to operate
the team at a loss in case he wants to leave it to one of his children.
I think that posts like this who claim that Ralph Wilson is a meddling, money grubbing owner are very
far off-base. Has he made mistakes in some of his hirings? No doubt, but I don't think any of it was
motivated by "screwing the fans and going for profit".
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Mango is dead on. Besides, Chan already said the teams S&C coaches were focusing on squats,etc for the lower body strength. TT wouldn't be doing any training program if it were not okay'd by the team. Core is fundemental strength training. You can pile on weight or even muscle on top, but if your core isn't strong, you're not. A guy that big doing the wheel is impressive. I invite you all to try it sometime. It's a killer and back in the day I could crank a few out.....not so much now. The kid is on the right track.
Thank you. The posters here who think this is a sign of weakness or that he isn't getting
professional strength and conditioning direction from the Bills TWO strength coaches (one
of whom was a National Champion power lifter) are way off base.
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People dont seem to understand.....the Stroud release will have no bearing on what they do in the draft. This was going to happen ANYWAY.......they could still release Stroud and then totally go QB because they have Stroud's replacement on the roster....Alex Carrington at this point is an UPGRADE over him......then you have Kyle Williams who they might think could slide out to DE to get Troupe onto the field
I am not saying they wont go defense in this draft....but it would not shock me to see that first pick put on a player they think could be the francise....then go defense in every other round......
In the meantime you have a pretty good scenario where Cam would not be required to start.....because we have a pretty good QB in front of him. He can sit this first year and learn.
By the way....if the right moves are made....using a 1st rounder in this way would not spell death to the team. It would mean they need to be active in free agency (if there is one)
Some counterpoints:
Kyle Williams at 3-4 DE? Williams is severely undersized in terms of height for an ideal 3-4 end. He is closer to prototype
size at NT than he is at 3-4 DE. I am not saying that he can't possibly play there, but I think his size works against him.
I don't know if anyone can name a successful 3-4 DE who is less than 6'2" as Kyle is.
Fitzpatrick is "pretty good": Well, OK he might be better than the weak players that the Bills have had at QB in the last 10
years, but he might have had his career best year last year and was just OK. The first 2 INT game that Fitz has next year, everyone would be clamoring for Newton and his "awesome running skills".
I don't see ANYTHING that Newton has done that demonstrates that he is an NFL QB. Yes, he has great physical skills
BUT, he won't make his name in the NFL by running (almost no QBs do) and he hasn't demonstrated NFL passing skills
beyond having a strong arm.
I am not totally against Newton or another QB at 3, but I am not very sold on any of the QBs in this draft, either.
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Lets take a sure thing this year. No more projects (Maybin) or potential superstar/busts (McKelvin, Spiller)...I say Nix lives by his word and takes BPA and takes AJ Green or one of the DTs (Fairly or Dareus)...no small OLBs (Miller) or potentially great pass rushers (Quinn and Bowers) and PLEASE NO QB. Everyone one of these QBs in this draft has some glaring problem that will enable them to start right away and we need a player to start right away with our #3 pick (Gabbert and Newton never played pro-style, Mallett is a statue and we'll get destroyed without a patriot O-line, Locker just isn't worth being drafted the first 2 rounds).
AJ Green would be my first choice because he is as close as it gets to a sure thing! After that we go LB and Dline heavy with a RT in the mix the next 2 rounds
I agree with the sentiment that I'd like to see them draft players that are as close to sure things as possible, but
no draft pick is anything but potential. Some have more risk that can be identified than others do, but that doesn't
mean that even the "surest" thing is a 100% slam dunk. While I agree that AJ Green has produced for multiple years
and has great measureables, that doesn't guarantee that he will be great at the NFL level.
Further, I am with you in regards to thinking that they should hold off at QB this year and address the D, but there is
no QB ever coming out of the draft who is a sure thing. ALL of these guys come with risk.
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Good points, SJBF. It is the mark of a stand-up human.
On the other hand, I interpreted it as Sisyphean did: "In summary, Posluszny said ' I suck' "
Great for him as a human being, but what about as a football player? I do keep reminding myself of the "fluff" piece on the Stillers Linebacker U and their coach saying basically, I don't begin to have confidence in them until around their 3rd year (in a single system). So Poz had to learn a new system, and in 4 years has only had a couple years of playing time due to injury. Is there hope? It's not like he's a Maybin or a McCargo who can't see the field even on an injury-riddled team.
Lot's of athletes and competitors say stuff like that to motivate themselves. I think it is good
that he feels that he can and must play better and I'll bet that right after he said "I suck" he went
and lifted extra weights. The guy is tough, accountable and a hard worker. He may not be Ray
Lewis, but I think they can win with him with some better players around him.
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couldnt disagree with you CB comment more.
did you watch the SB? the total of runs for both teams was like 28 combined. in case you havent noticed this has become a passing league and shut down corners are worth their weight in gold.
our best chance to get a team IMO to want to move up to #3 is to get a shot @ peterson I'll bet Buddy is thinking the same thing.
i simply refuse to believe that after Fairley is gone and if Nix does not want a QB @ 3 that he will be comfortable reaching for a DT,an undersized LB or overrated DE @ 3.
if we have learned one thing after last years draft and after hearing Buddy say a million times since he became our GM "we will take the best player on our board regardless of position"
i also believe that applies especially in the first round there is no way Nix is going to draft for a need and by pass a great player.
he proved that last year in Spiller and he will do it again this year,he is not going to reach for a position of need and pass on a super star because he plays a position that is not a need position for the bills.
personally i could not agree with him more you win with great talent and you cannot by pass a great player no matter what position due to a need especially in the top 5 to 10 slots.
From what I've read, I don't know that either Patrick Peterson or Prince Amakumara (sp?) are "can't miss lock down" corners.
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Im sorry man but I think you are off here. the distance from an A Dlineman and a B Dlineman is much greater than at DB. That is because the NFL has fundamentally changed the rules as to what a DB is even allowed to do. I watched Revis allow catched after catch after catch this year despite being the est CB in the game by most in most peoples opinion. Now figure that a guy like K Williams was completely unblockable at times and single handedly kept us in that Pittsburg game, while Troup was a big nothing most of the year.
My point is the rules do not allow CBs to do much, so a great corner wont be able to cover the same way a bad corner wont be able to. But a top Dline guy is still unblockable and a B rate guy is just another guy.
The O and D line are where the true talent of the football team is (and QB too).
Way too early to give up on Troup (or any rookie). Just a couple of my recollections:
1. Eric Moulds looked like a bust after his 2nd year and he turned out OK
2. Pat Williams hardly played his first 2-3 years and then turned into a top DT
3. The Bills got Ted Washington after he washed out in Denver (or was it SF?). He
was an after-thought when the Bills signed him.
These are just a few examples of guys who it took a few years to get "it".
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I am just not grooving on Cam Newton. He is clearly a superior physical talent, but there
is zero evidence that he can read a defense and throw to well-covered receivers at the
NFL level. He has only played 1 year of NCAA division1 football and running QBs often
don't make it in the NFL.
I am not saying that I know for sure that he won't be able to learn to read defenses and
make the split-second decisions that an NFL QB must make, just that he hasn't demonstrated
that he can and that is too risky for my tastes when you have the 3rd overall pick.
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I see Poz as weakside because he is not physical, rather have Jones. However I think Colin McCarthy or Chris White would be ideal for SILB.
Jones is not described as physical either.
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Yea, but reaching for picks has not gone well with the bills the last 10 years. So no to Quinn.
How do you know this is a reach, especially this early in the process. Players "rise" and "fall"
right up to the draft with the combine still to come. That said, nobody outside of the
NFL front offices really knows who is a reach and who is a steal and THEY don't even
know.
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My comments on the DraftTek mock about to be released, where we pick Quinn:
...I think a 3-4 would wear Von Miller down; that's my opinion. Von Miller is a good 4-3 selection, and less so a 3-4 selection. Either way, he may be good, but he won't be an every-down LB. I actually have Aldon Smith ahead of Miller as my personal #2 OLB choice, with Miller 3rd.
Well, that is good to know. Everyone has a right to their opinion and you express your's reasonably without putting
others' opinions down and that's great. However, I have reasons not to be so excited about Robert Quinn -
1. he didn't play last year at all. Now, I'm not viewing contact with an agent early as a huge red flag, but he
truly had a full year off and how do we know that he wasn't a one-year wonder or that offenses might not have
found a way to neutralize him if he had played this year.
2. Quinn played in the ACC - a major conference, but surely not the toughest.
3. North Carolina's defense was STACKED. How good was Quinn and how good did he look because offenses
had to worry about Marvin Austin and Robert Carter too? Was Quinn the reason those guys looked good or
did he look good because of them and others?
4. Can Quinn play OLB in a 3-4? He was a college DE, but is as undersized to play 3-4 DE as Miller is to
play 3-4 OLB.
5. Can Quinn play 3-4 OLB? Is he athletic/fast/quick enough to play the run wide in the NFL? (Opposite
question of Miller who is clearly athletic enough, but is he big enough?).
To be clear, I am not saying that Quinn might not be a great choice. I am saying that there are no
players who don't have some kind of question(s) attached to them.
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Well, obviously, we all knew how the following guys that fit the Bills' needs at the time
would turn out because we read some mock drafts by journalists who copied other
journalist's mock drafts.
Tyson Jackson - DE went before Maybin and while he has contributed hasn't lived up to
his draft status
Andre Smith - mammoth OT from Alabama was dominant in college and the Bengals
nabbed him early. Has done nothing.
Brian Orakpo - Has proven to be a very very good player. Would have been a better pick
than Maybin (by far).
Brian Cushing - lots of rumors of steroid use and, lo and behold, he has already been
suspended for using. Was a dynamite player before the suspension, not clear how he
will do after the bust.
Larry English - LB, not much more productive than Maybin has been.
Robert Ayers - was a very popular guy around here leading up to the draft and has done
little to nothing so far in the NFL
Clay Mathews - Was a 1 year starter at USC and was undersized until he put on considerable
weight leading up to the draft ('roids? HGH?). Clearly a great pick, but he lasted until pick
26, so the Bills weren't the only team to clearly f-up and not draft him. There were lots of
questions like "why couldn't he crack USC's starting lineup until his SR year?
EVERY SINGLE YEAR there are draft busts and lots of them were projected to go very high. There
are also stars from every draft who were passed over by lots of teams. Now, I am not trying
to defend the Bills' draft record as they have clearly missed on too many high picks, but I am
saying that there are no sure things in round 1 or anywhere else in the draft.
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I don't think that there is any debate that IF there is a QB that has a high probability of becoming a top-eschelon
NFL QB, then the Bills SHOULD draft him in round 1. HOWEVER, I'm not seeing that. There have been PLENTY of
years where there were no top QBs, yet teams still spent high #1 picks on bad QBs because they were the "best"
available that year.
Yes, if there is a GREAT QB prospect available in this year's draft it is a No Brainer - the Bills should pick him
without regard to any other needs they have. Problem is, I don't see any QB that appears to fit that description.
If I am right (and I may not be), then it would be ridiculous to pass on good to great prospects at other positions
(DL, OLB, WR) in order to "settle" for a maybe-good-maybe-bad QB prospect.
DEs/DTs
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I'd prefer to pass on Nick Fairley, though. He has only produced for 1 year, has some
character concerns and was very good, but hot super at the combine.
No thanks.