OldTimer1960
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Here's the jist of it: I'm bouncing from MB to MB in draft order giving each MB's team roughly 36 hours of polling before the player with the highest % of votes becomes the pick. Only players that havent been selected before your team's pick are available.
Its just an interesting way to mock the draft, and lets be honest who knows what their team needs the most than the diehard fans who troll MBs for hours at a time day in and day out? You can vote for who you want as a fan, who you think the team will take given their draft strategy or you can just take bpa... its up to you!
Without further ado...
Round 1
1 Carolina Panthers - Patrick Peterson, CB - LSU
2 Denver Broncos - Macel Dareus, DT - BAMA
3 Buffalo Bills - On the Clock
4 Cincinnati Bengals
5 Arizona Cardinals
6 Cleveland Browns
7 San Francisco 49ers
8 Tennessee Titans
9 Dallas Cowboys
10 Washington Redskins
11 Houston Texans
12 Minnesota Vikings
13 Detroit Lions
14 St. Louis Rams
15 Miami Dolphins
16 Jacksonville Jaguars
17 New England Patriots
18 San Diego Chargers
19 New York Giants
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
21 Kansas City Chiefs
22 Indianapolis Colts
23 Philadelphia Eagles
24 New Orleans Saints
25 Seattle Seahawks
26 Baltimore Ravens
27 Atlanta Falcons
28 New England Patriots
29 Chicago Bears
30 New York Jets
31 Pittsburgh Steelers
32 Green Bay Packers
With the third pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, The Buffalo Bills Select...?
I'll bite: Blaine Gabbert
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Play Cam Newton.
and suck!
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I think that Newton is an AWFUL gamble that high in the draft. Here are my reasons:
1. There are few, if any, running QBs that succeed in the NFL. I guess you could say Vick has - but
he was not that successful until Andy Reid salvaged his career (late in his career) and even now you
have to wonder if he is a "one year wonder" in the NFL. Maybe you could point to Steve Young (who
was actually a good passer, too and played in a more-similar pro-type offense at BYU then got some
USFL experience before sitting behind Joe Montana in SF). Of the bunch, I might compare
Newton to a bigger/stronger Randall Cunningham. Now, Cunningham wasn't a bad NFL QB, but
would he be worth the 3rd overall pick in the draft?
2. Newton has only 1 year of productivity on the NCAA Div 1 level and his productivity was largely
running (and passing productivity enhanced by the threat of him running). I don't think that he'll
duplicate his running success against NFL defenses and that will significantly hinder his passing
success.
3. Newton comes across as a very polished/slimey used-car salesman type. Note that I am not
saying that he is dumb as I believe that he's reasonably intelligent. I just think that there is a lot
of "fake" to him.
4. Newton comes with a lot of character concerns that can be the death-blow to a team if he is
installed as the starter. Allegations of stolen laptops at Fla, allegations of academic fraud in the
J.C. ranks and only one year at Auburn....
I am not asserting that Newton will be a bust, only my opinion that he is way too risky for the
Bills to consider at the 3rd overall pick.
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Do not underestimate the Buzz or Excitement factor in the Bills 1st round pick.....They need to shore up the season ticket base, the Toronto ticket sales, and get the intrigue factor up for the Franchise in general.....From that vantage point Newton makes a great deal of sense. If Cam turns out to be a good to excellent QB that the franchise desperately needs....Double winner!!!
Just sayin!!!
I respectfully say this should not even be remotely a consideration. They've tried this route several times before and if the
team still sucks, it doesn't matter a lick.
Personally, I see some case for Gabbert, I'd run away from Newton (too raw, too slick, too much bad character history) and
I'd strongly lean toward defensive front 7. If you insist on getting an "athletic" QB, I'd consider trading back into round 1
for Locker or staying pat and hoping that Locker or Kapaernick are there for the Bills' 2nd pick.
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Roll the dice at #3 on a QB who may or may not pan out. Got it.
PTR
I agree with not wanting any of the QBs this year at #3, but the same can be said of any position.
Whomever they pick, whatever position is a roll of the dice that may or may not pan out.
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You can't tip your hat man. Keep everyone guessing.
I think it's you can't tip your hand, man. As in, don't hold your hand of cards
so that others can see them. Tipping your hat is a polite gesture.
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I guess I'm not sure why you don't think he can shuffle 3-4 steps in any direction to avoid the rush? Athletically that's easy - a mental issue not a speed one.
I'm just saying that it isn't a given that he can. That type of mobility is sort of innate and is as much
mental ability as it is physical. If it was easy, then guys like Drew Bledsoe would have mastered it. Anyone
who remembers Bledsoe being a complete statue behind the Bills' OL can readily say that he didn't.
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the Buffalo Bills select: Patrick Peterson, cornerback LSU!
I am surprised this is not getting more run, best player in the draft, large body of work, special team sensation, Terrence McGee wrong side of 30, Drayton Florence walk away FA, Youboty FA, McKelvin not a lock down corner & turnover specialist, and management seems to love their young defensive linemen drafted last year? I heard Buddy mention deep deep linemen/pass rushing depth in the draft.
I almost think this is a lock.
Great, we can put Peterson, Spiller and McKelvin back for KO and punt returns and have the best return
potential ever in the NFL. And they'll need it after giving up 200 yards rushing per game again this year.
Nobody will ever know if Peterson can cover anyone as no offense will be foolish enough to abandon
gouging the Bills run defense and dominating time of possession on the way to easy wins.
Seriously, I don't know if Peterson is the best player in the draft or just a very athletic over-size CB who
will end up having to move to safety and a good KR. Whatever, without being able to stop the run or
generate a pass rush, the Bills could put the best 4 DBs in the history of the NFL back there and continue
to get toasted every week.
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Tom Brady started for 2 years at Michigan. He threw 20 tds in one season. If anything, the combine & offseason stuff is overrated. The reason a guy like Brady fell is because he had a terrible combine (what the video of him running the 40 for laughs).
A few years ago, Robert Ayers got overrated and got drafted in the top half of the 1st. He started for one year despite being at school for 4 years. Not surprisingly, he has dOne little in the pros.
With high picks, I want a track record of success in college, especially in big games. In the later rounds, you gamble on athletes & late bloomers.
It's a mixture of both (and an inexact one at that). You have to consider college production, level of competition, scheme played in,
number of years of production athletic ability, has he "maxed-out" or does he have upside, injury history, learning ability/versatility
and a host of other things. This is exactly why there are high-round busts and late-round surprises every single year. Even NFL
scouting offices who spend $millions can't turn this into a black-and-white, easy to evaluate proposition.
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LOL. I really can't see that being a factor at all.
I agree that QB 40 time is not a big factor, but I don't know if he even has the subtle
movement skill to avoid rushers within the pocket. Combine that with questions about
his character, work ethic and judgement and I'm not very interested (though, he has
so much arm talent that top o the 3rd I might be tempted).
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I have reservations about him based on what I've read. I've seen multiple places
question his "instincts". I don't care what kind of athletic freak he is, at ILB you
have to be able to diagnose and react quickly. I think ILB is probably the position
that you can most get away with less than great athletic ability.
Now, I recognize that not all of these draft analyses are dead-on, so I am not dead-set
against him, just wary of him is all.
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Alimony is a B word.......
Well, don't I know that! Wish I could come out of retirement to make $750K, but the
market for slow, small 50 year old NTs is very weak right now...
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I put the least amount of stock in the sporting news' draft coverage. Every year they seem to be the least informed. Example, who they rate as the top cb.
I like the Sportingnews' Russ Lande because he is willing to state his opinions about
players rather than just rate someone high or low because everyone else rates them that
way. Is he always right? Of course not (and neither is anyone else including NFL scouts).
Lande has a little more credibility (at least in my opinion) than most because he has
experience working as an NFL scout. My favorite sources of draft information are Lande's
GM Jr draft guide, ProFootball Weekly's draft guide (Nolan Nawrocki) and Mike Mayock
on NFL Network.
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Dang, thats a rough report. I dunno. Ive been to a bunch of UGA games the last few years and I remember Houston making plays. I dont necessarily remember ever going "Dammit Houston!" for him blowing a play, but I admit I dont follow as closely as say, a Bills game/team.
Here's another complete report. He has good production over 3 years. He has many accolades. He has a year in the 3-4 already. I'd like him as a Bill. Let Wanny coach him.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=69063&draftyear=2012&genpos=OLB
There will be different opinions about every player. If there is even a hint of him being lazy
when the Bills investigate him throughly, then they should definitely stay away. They may find
that this report is unfounded, in which case, great.
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The Bills are short by their own admission 2 DEs (even in a 3-4 btw so I think they are blowing draft smoke here and will look to get 1 DE likely with their first pick). 2 LBs (this likely is true but my GUESS is that they only expect to get 1 it is to be hoped LB starter from this draft- yet you already are in roun2 and 1st rounders appear to be only slightly above 50/50 to be starters by the end of they year.
The good news for us is that our second rounder will be about as high a pick as can be and we get the advantage of overnight negotiation to try to multiply this pick with a trade.
This need is necessary because even devoting the first two picks to the D we are still likely a D player short of what we would love to see of contributors from this draft.
By spending this high high second round pick on Kapwhathisname you do several things:
1. By definition in your post as we assign him the back-up role to him and we all know how Mr. Ralph hates to pay for someone to sit whether it be Wade whom he contractually agreed to pay even if he was sitting in his sons high school games or RJ whom he designated the starter after he gave him a guaranteed contract based on him dismantling and Indy team which had given up on the game. The boss will almost certainly chafe (if we are lucky silently) every time he signs the big check evem if the K-man is sitting for his own good. Further, a small but loud and whiny part of the fan base will be calling for the rookie to play every time Fitzy makes even a slight error. They will be egged on by WGR and Sully who will be happy to sell commercials and fill column inches by stoking the next QB controversy. If we spend a 2nd on a QB it remains ugly around here.
2. This essentially will be a declaration of no mas for the 2011 season by the Bills. They not only forgo using the #2 for an LB they desperately need to be even adequate against the run, but in doing so they put off by another round their search for a player and a half (RT and a swing guy they need on OL to have it be adequate.
3. We are also telling the team and Fitzy we are giving up on 2011. In fact, given the OL boot down in the draft we are not only demanding Fitzy survive with an undermanned OL, but if worse comes to worse it forces the K man into th line-up with an inadequate OL to protect him and him not having had the usual 2 years a Gailey failed vet QB has of seeing NFL Ds before he gets thrown to the wolves.
I just do not see taking him so early as worth the cost and risk.
You are assuming that there will be a good starting-caliber LB candidate to pick in round 2. I don't know that
that is a good assumption.
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... He then becomes a low risk-high reward player.
How does he suddenly become a low risk-high reward player at the 34th pick? Maybe
the risk/reward ratio is better then than early in the first, but he would still be a very
risky pick that high in the 2nd round (IMHO). He might be a bigger, stronger
Randal Cunningham or he might be another Tarvaris Jackson.
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The Sportingnews' review of Justin Houston isn't very complementary. It describes
him as a tremendous athlete, but raw and lazy. If that is a fair assessment of
Houston, then I wouldn't spend a 2nd round pick on him.
The Bills are building a team with dedicated, try-hard guys including Eric Wood,
Levitre, Kyle Williams etc. They are trying to avoid the elite athletes who don't
work.
http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2011/players/10465.html
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I disagree with the notion that QB is not the Bills' biggest need. I like Fitzpatrick and I respect
him a great deal. Heck, I hope that he proves me wrong, but IMHO he is not a top 15 QB in the
NFL. I know that people hold up Trent Dilfer and Mark Rypien as examples of Super Bowl
winning QBs who weren't considered very good-to-great QBs, but Fitz (again, imo) is not in
their category in terms of physical skills. Now, I think he is great at getting the team into
good plays against the defense, he can direct the OL's blocking schemes and he makes good
quick decisions with where to go with the ball. However, he is more akin to the junk-ball
pitcher in MLB than he is to the front-line #1 or #2 starter. He might be the NFL's version
of Tim Redding.
I don't know if Blaine Gabbert is that elusive top 1/2 of the league starting QB or not, but if
the Bills believe he is, then I think the Bills MUST pick him (if he is available). I know that their
D is awful (and I don't want to watch a debacle like that again), but the opportunity to pick
an answer at QB is too much to pass on for any reason (again, if they are very confident
in Gabbert's ability, desire, effort, intelligence, etc).
IMHO, Cam Newton is too much of an uncertainty to consider at the Bills' pick.
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After listening to Carson Palmer pretty much declare that he'll never play for the bengals again and is willing to essentially sit out, what effect do you think this would have on the draft?
The Bengals should be in panic mode right now b/c if Palmer goes, who's their back up? Jordan Palmer? Don't they wish they still had fitzy!?
Other message boards are saying "No way does Buffalo pass on Gabbert or Newton. The Bills should be in panic mode
right now b/c Fitzpatrick is their starter and Brohm is their backup".
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i would much rather have Martez Wilson from Illinois; also, big on my list as a good, solid player with not much hype is colin mccarthy from Miami - EXCELLENT tackler...i still can't decide if I would prefer Sturdivant or mccarthy in the 3rd..
From what I've read, I'd prefer McCarthy to Greg Jones. I've read that Jones is not strong against the run
(he is a good drag-down tackler though). The Bills need someone who can step up and fill the lanes
without being dragged for several yards.
Is Greg Jones a bad player? No, but (IMHO) when the rest of your defense lacks the ability to stack
the run, his short-comings will be magnified.
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I really don't know if I like Quinn after he didn't play at all this year. From what I understand he was very
good, but not Great, in the drills and disappointed in the weight lifting after sitting out all year. Why
wasn't he in the gym lifting if he wasn't playing - if he was lifting, why isn't he stronger?
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Stay away from Fairley IMHO. He looks wimpy compared to many of the other DL and he
really has some questions to answer in terms of why he only produced for 1 year. He doesn't
look like he has worked very hard in preparation for the combine (at least to me).
While I would prefer a DL over a LB, I think Von Miller is a safer pick if Dareus or Bowers
isn't available when the Bills pick. I MIGHT prefer Cam Jordan over Fairley at this point.
Flame away...
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I disagree. Just because Troupe is a year older, doesnt mean its a given he improves. I also think that you need at least 2 guys at NG, and just because he isnt the starter doesnt mean he wont play. I also want to move KW to end where I think he fits better, so we could improve DE by adding a NG.
You may be right, but I have a hard time believing that 6'1 1/2" Williams is the answer at 3-4 DE, when teams
are looking for DEs that are 6'4"+. I also think that there is no reason to believe that Troup won't improve in
his second year. Plus a #1 pick and a #2 pick at NT is going to be hard to support in terms of roster composition.
I think that Williams has SOME chance to succeed at DE, but I think that is questionable - just my $.02 worth though.
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With the BILLS in desperate need of a big old DT, who do you look at from history's past to point at and say this is why we should take a DT 1st round, and who compares to that player in this years draft???
Have fun with this one...
I don't know that they need a "big old DT" in round 1. Kyle Williams is pretty good and they spent
an early #2 on Torrel Troup last year (and he should be much better next year).
If they draft a DT in round 1, it will necessarily push Williams to the bench or put him out of
position at DE and keep Troup on the bench. From an investment perspective, I can't see a team
being able to have a #1 and #2 pick at NT.
Will you watch the CFL or UFL?
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I'll watch both and try not to return to the greedy pair of owners and players in the NFL.