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    Speed: I do the math here

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    1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

    Someone indicated above he had the best gauntlet drill time and second best top speed.  Again that’s an N of 1.  But it suggests speed in other testing modalities.

    How many total passes of over 40 yards were thrown by Josh last year?  Or in the league?  I can’t find that data.

    I’m not really arguing against your original point, just wanted to add that quickness, route running skill and acceleration are as important or more so as speed.

     

    The gauntlet speed point is questionable in my mind - the gauntlet is not a speed competition.  Players aren’t competing to see who can run it fastest.  It IS encouraging that he could ripen it fast and show good hands.

    Speed: I do the math here

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    16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

    Another thing scientists (I am one) is you never base conclusions on a sample size of 1.  One 40 yard run at the combine is not enough data to conclude anything.

    That’s true, but why do you suppose he didn’t run the 40 again at his pro day?  I think it’s safe to assume that he knew his 4.61 was about the best he can do.  Similarly, he did not do the 3-cone and 20 yard shuttle agility drills at all - very likely he knew these would not be his strengths.

     

    That doesn’t mean that he can’t succeed in the league, but it might well cap his ceiling.

    Speed: I do the math here

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    16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

    So there are a certain number of folks here who are wailing and gnashing teeth over Coleman because he’s not fast.  That we don’t place emphasis on speed.  So let’s do some math and compare a supposed fast time (4.2) with the supposed slow time of 4.6, which if memory serves correct is Coleman.
     

    The formula is simple:  40 yards/time gives you how many yards per second.

     

    For 4.2:  40/4.2= 9.5 yards/sec

    For 4.6:  40/4.6 = 8.7 yards/sec

     

    So if you have a guy running 40 yards downfield they’d gain about 3 yards. At 4.2 vs 4.6.  Seems like a significant difference although I haven’t run stats.  But I also don’t consider other variables like time to accelerate to maximum speed, effect of equipment on times, and such.  
     

    For me I’d be looking not just for speed, but how fast you get to top speed, how long you can maintain top speed, arm length (longer arms may negate the gap based purely on speed), quickness in getting in and out of breaks.  And likely more if I gave it more thought.  This is why Marcel St. Jacques wrote an article for espn.com indicating the 40 time isn’t very useful anymore.

     

    So this kid may not be a sprinter, but he’s quite the athlete (all state basketball), young still, will have height advantages over many corners.  I’m intrigued to see what he and other drafted guys bring to the table.

    It’s not just speed that gets a receiver open.  Quickness and route running skill are as important or more so.  Sometimes coaches can implement schemes to get guys open as well.

     

    My particular concerns with Coleman is that he failed to get open frequently against college competition.  I don’t necessarily blame that on his straight line speed.  His lateral quickness looks so-so, but he is at least a fluid mover with excellent size, strength and jumping ability.  Can he sharpen his route running?  He is young and seems to be a hard worker, hopefully he will improve that aspect of his game.

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 4-7 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

    Couple of spots away from the Bills so board update time:

     

    1. DJ James, CB, Auburn

    2. Christian Mahogany, IOL, Boston College

    3. Beau Brade, S, Maryland

    4. Leonard Taylor, DT, Miami

    5. Brenden Rice, WR, USC

    6. Beaux Limmer, C, Arkansas

    7. Malik Washington, WR, Virginia

    8. Nathaniel Watson, LB, Mississippi State

    9. Kitan Oladapo, S, Oregon State

    10. Mekhi Wingo, DT, LSU

     

    What do you think of McKinley Jackson as backup 1T?

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 4-7 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    Yea. It does feel like they are seeing the re-load of this roster as very much a two year job. I'm not saying they are giving up on this season, but I think the lack of urgency is because they think realistically they can't do much more to make 2024 better. 

    I agree, I’ve been suggesting that was the case the past few weeks.  That’s why I was against trading 2025 picks to move up this year.  The roster is another off-season away from being very good again (of course, just my $0.02 worth).

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 4-7 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

    1. DJ James, CB, Auburn

    2. Jeremiah Trotter, LB, Clemson

    3. Christian Mahogany, IOL, Boston College

    4. Kris Abrams-Draine, CB, Missouri

    5. Austin Booker, EDGE, Kansas

    6. Sedrick Van Pran, IOL, Georgia

    7. Beau Brade, S, Maryland

    8. Brenden Rice, WR, USC

    9. Leonard Taylor, DT, Miami

    10. Cam Hart, CB, Notre Dame

     

    Let’s just get 4 of them this round!

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