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    Troy Franklin itch anyone...

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    1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

    I'm stunned that he's dropped to the 4th round. I remember early mocks where people were cheering the idea of Franklin dropping to us at 28.

     

    Clearly something is warning teams off but I have no idea what 

    I’ve heard rumors of bad interviews, but I think it’s also because he is light and doesn’t run a lot of routes.  I read an anonymous scout who compared him the Jalen Hyatt, but slightly less explosive.

    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 4-7 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    9 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

    So a thought occurs to me, logically it makes sense for Beane not to use all of those 5th round picks because that'd be crazy......but Beane is really good at 5th round picks.

    I think 1 or more of those 5ths will be used to move up in the 4th.  128 and the two late 5ths should get them first pick in terms of value.  128 plus 1 late 5th should get them to top 1/2 of the 4th.  I don’t know who is available worth trading up for, though.

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    1 hour ago, Dunkirk Donski said:

    For all the whining and bellyaching about Coleman being our first pick (I was disappointed myself) it’s time to man up and admit that none of us are draft experts…some draft analysts had Franklin going late 1st, and many of us would’ve been happy taking him at 33.  For those in here who had Franklin going 4th round, where have we erred, and why were we so wrong?  

    You’re right, but I will say that I was pretty public in my dislike of Franklin.

    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

    Here are a few thoughts.   I've only watch Coleman highlight reels and read a variety of posts here.  I admit to being too dumb to find Happy Days' posts here, but apparently he's been on the Coleman bandwagon.  Here are my thoughts:

     

    1.  I continue to believe that people here have their own ideas about what the Bills need at wideout, and that's why there's so much disappointment.  All that means is that the Bills were looking for someone different than what all those people believe.  And I'll continue to say that the Bills know more about this than any of us. 

     

    2.  Having said that, I don't see exactly how they expect Coleman to fit in.  I imagined a guy with more speed and more shiftiness.  I can see why people say he looks like a Davis replacement.  

     

    3.  However, I see more than Davis.  I always thought Davis's weakness was catching in a crowd, and Coleman look a whole lot better at than than Davis.  I get that if I looked at all of his film, I'd see plenty of contested drops, but still, I like the way Coleman positions his body to screen defenders.   And the one-handed catch is something Davis could only dream of.   

     

    4.  I also like the punt returns.   Not that the guy is going to return punts for the Bills, but there's a lot of ball carrying skill on display there.  That should translate into some yards after catch.  

     

    5.  Okay.  Get out the flamethrowers.   Here's what I see in Coleman:  Mike Evans lite.  A tad slower, a tad smaller, but a guy who despite having great measureables, has skills that combine to make a really tough receiver.   He's young - 20 - must turn 21 this year - and he'll add some bulk.  I think in the red zone, he'll pair nicely with Kincaid and Knox as big targets.  I think he'll work as a possession receiver.  I think he will get deep sometimes, and we'll be scratching our heads about how he was fast enough to do that.   All of which was what I thought about Mike Evans until, after about five years, I had to admit that the guy is just a damn fine receiver, even if he doesn't fit a classic mold.  

     

    Coleman is a bit of project, but I love the upside.   

    I hope that’s right.  I’m rooting for him in spite of my critical posts about him.  Heck, I hope he becomes one of my favorite players.

    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    21 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

    Weird. Because I could swear for literally years I've seen posts right here on this forum with people wanting to trade for Mike Williams. Big strong WR. He ran a 4.53, BTW. Not blazing, either. 

     

    Now, I'm a person that has screamed for speed myself for years. Get me someone even Allen would have an issue over throwing. So I get it. But I'm willing to, I don't know, let the kid see the practice field and maybe a game or two before I condemn the choice because he doesn't have the skillset I wanted...which is what I see a lot of people doing here.

    That’s a fair and balanced position.  I was very disappointed last night in the pick.  Not because the kid is an absolute zero as a player (he isn’t), but because at pick 33 I would have liked to get a player who has more quickness and route running skill.  I wasn’t crazy about any of the WR after the big 3 and Thomas, but for sure I would have preferred Legette to Coleman.

     

    Coleman is young and sounds like a great kid and hard worker.  He has great overall athletic ability and size, but I really worry about his ability to get open.  In spite of my posts expressing disappointment, I am rooting for him to do great things.  I just don’t know how high his ceiling is - my guess is Gabe Davis with much better hands and more flexibility/smoothness.  If he can become a better route runner he may do better than that.

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    My point is bad weather negates speed and finesse, deep balls, etc.  Teams who are more physical have the advantage and Bills have been too soft in the postseason.  We need toughness at more places than just our QB.  

     

    This dude is gonna be a baller here and I am stoked. 

    That is the best argument I have heard for Coleman.  I admit that I’ve been way over the top in not liking the pick.  I truly hope he turns into an all time great.

    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 2 & 3 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

    Time for a board update. Best 10 available:

     

    1. Ennis Rakestraw, CB, Missouri

    2. Bralen Trice, EDGE, Washington

    3. Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon

    4. Ja'Tavion Sanders, TE, Texas

    5. Payton Wilson, LB, NC State

    6. Christian Haynes, IOL, UConn

    7.  DJ James, CB, Auburn

    8. Chris Braswell, EDGE, Alabama

    9. Adissa Isaac, EDGE, Penn State

    10. Calen Bullock, S, USC

    I’m not the biggest Franklin fan, but at 60 OK

    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    What do you think about Cooper Kupp?  He ran a slower 40 time.  

     

    Have you actually studied this guy or are you just freaking about a 40 time that is a small part of what makes in game on field speed?

    Yes I have watched all the games I could find.  Cooper Kupp is a route runner.  Coleman is not - but he is young and maybe he can learn.

    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

     

    He can do everything - except get open.  
    He is Gabe Davis with better hands and worse speed.  Hopefully, he can really learn to run routes to get open.

     

    The big concern I have is the league is going speed, speed, speed and Bills grabbed basically a 3rd TE.  He is a very dominant blocker, though!

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