OldTimer1960
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I think Denney, Lynch Whitner, Edwards and Youboty will all still be around. Denney is really not bad and while Whitner
and Lynch haven't lived up to their draft status, they are still pretty good players. Edwards and Youboty are cheap so will be given a shot to make the team.
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One quarterback comes immediately to mind: Carson Palmer, chosen first overall, didn't start a game until his second year. During his rookie year he was third string, and remained firmly on the bench. Which is exactly where rookie quarterbacks belong!!
To address your larger point: the Bills are lacking in many positions. Of those, the most difficult to fill, but also the most critical, is the quarterback position. If there's a franchise QB available at #9, we take him. Because we might not have the chance to take a franchise QB next year, or the year after. In fact, we haven't had a franchise QB since Kelly hung up his cleats!
If there isn't a franchise QB available at #9, we look to see if there's a franchise LT. If not, then hopefully there's a franchise DL available!
To address your concern about what to do about a franchise QB when you don't have a line: if the Bills take a non-LT at #9, they should probably use their second and third round picks to trade back into the first round, and grab a LT there. There should still be some good ones available. If in addition to that they re-sign Incognito, the like would look like this:
LT: 1st round pick chosen in the 20s.
LG: Levitre
C: Wood
RG: Incognito
RT: Butler
Not the best line in the league, but certainly respectable! Plus that rookie QB would be on the bench his first year anyway, which would give him the chance to learn, it would give the LT a chance to work through his rookie mistakes, and would give the Bills the chance to evaluate what they have or don't have in Brohm.
But, if the first 3 picks go to a QB and LT, where is the help for the weak defense? I suppose that maybe some help for the D could come in FA, but the Bills' D was LAST in the league against the run. I think that they do have plenty of talent in the secondary, but both DL and LB must be upgraded significantly.
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Hummm helped develop TWO Pro bowl calibre QB's? We have never had that. So we are getting a guy who along with Gailey could develop a top level talent at QB if we got one in here.
I still say trade up in the draft and get the QB you want and let these two have at him.
My problem with this is that there isn't a QB in the whole draft that is worth taking in round 1, let alone trading
up for.
Sam Bradford is the concensus #1 QB, but he is not big/strong enough to take the pounding he'd receive
behind the Bills' OL.
Clausen is a mirage.
Pike and Lefeavre are projects.
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I brought this up in a poll I started a couple days ago. I think Troy Smith would be a great FA QB pickup for us. I wouldn't have a problem giving up a 3rd round pick or even possibly a 2nd round pick. This guy was a 1st round pick and but for some bad luck would be Baltimore's starter. He also won a Heisman which truthfully doesn't mean much to me but it is an accolade that can't be ignored.
Are you sure that Troy Smith was a 1st round pick? I think it was more like the 5th round, but I could be wrong.
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Are you talking about Dwight Adams? I used to love it when he would be interviewed on the radio!
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If he is the highest-rated o-lineman on their board then yes, they should take him. Either he or Levitre could kick out to LT, or they could draft an LT later on in the draft (like Wang from VT, who should be there in Rounds 2 or 3).
Levitre is not really a viable candidate at LT. He isn't tall enough, nor does he have a long enough reach. If the buzz
is that Iupati can't play LT, then the Bills should not draft him. They are reasonably set at OL other than the gaping
hole at LT.
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MCCLAIN TO ME IS MORE LIKE URLACHER ,,,,, NOT BENNETT..
MAYBIN AND POZ TO OLB...... MCCLAIN I S THE GUY FOR MLB..SCHOBEL A PASS RUSHER AT OLB ON 2ND AND 3 AND LONG..
FA ,,,,,, SEYMORE AND KAMPMAN ,,,,, WHY CHANGE TO 3-4
Not all scouts are high on Rolando McClain. Sporting News War Room isn't sure he is even a 1st round pick.
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I wasn't a big fan of the Maybin pick, either, but you can't declare him a bust after one year. The Bills knew, or should have
known, that Maybin would be a project. He was only a true-sophomore and was very under-weight (yeah, I know he bulked up quickly, but you had to figure he wouldn't hold weight gained that quickly). He's also only 20 y.o. and his body may fill-out, especially with more weight training.
Now, I don't know if he will ever come around or not. I also don't think it was a positive sign that he got so little playing time. But at least in all the interviews I've seen with him, he seems to have the attitude and work ethic to try to make a go of it. I am as frustrated with the pick and lack of production as most, but he does still have a high ceiling and his slow-development wasn't unexpected. I think (hope?) that he'll show improvement this year and by 2011 (if they don't have a lockout) he might be a very good player.
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Bob Sanders is very qualified to be the d coord. What went down in Green Bay could hardly be called his fault.
His CV:
1978
Georgia Tech
(Part-time Coach)
1980-82
East Carolina
(Defensive Line/Linebackers)
1983-84
Richmond
(Linebackers)
1985-88
Duke
(Outside Linebackers/Defensive Ends)
1989
Duke
(Co-Defensive Coordinator/Outside Linebackers)
1990
Florida
(Defensive Ends)
1991-93
Florida
(Ass. Defensive Co-Coordinator/ Banditbacks/Gatorbacks)
1994-97
Florida
(Ass. Defensive Coordinator/Defensive Ends)
1998
Florida
(Ass. Defensive Coordinator/Defensive Ends/Strong-side Linebackers)
1999
Florida
(Ass. Head Coach/Defensive Ends/Strong-Side Linebackers)
2000
Florida
(Ass. Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers)
2001-2004
Miami Dolphins
(Linebackers)
2005
Green Bay Packers
(Defensive Ends)
2006-2008
Green Bay Packers
(Defensive Coordinator)
2009-present
Buffalo Bills
(Defensive line)
I must be missing the lines above that qualify him to be a good defensive coordinator.
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I don't understand how you can start a post with an incorrect spelling of a player's name (Bulaga)...better yet reply to a post with an obvious misspelling and perpetuating it...
Oh, I am horribly sorry for misspelling a players name. I am humbled that you took your precious time
to point out this terrible error.
You know what? After 20+ years of following the draft very closely, sometimes I don't feel like running off to
another website to confirm a player name spelling. Now, if you have all night to be on the web checking
spellings and admonishing others, then good for you. I have other things to do.
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Guess no one want's to make a case- Davis looks to be the best run blocker and Buffalo really needs to be able to run in the later part of the season so he might be the best pick.
Davis is an over-weight underachieving player whom I wouldn't want to invest the 9th overall pick in and then give him $10M+ and HOPE that he decides to get in shape and try hard.
Buluga, by all accounts I've read is not reallty a talented enough player (at this point after his Jr year) to pick that
high.
From what I've read Campbell would be worth the pick, but likely not available at 9.
My opinion, at this time, is to avoid reaching for a LT or QB and take the best impact defensive lineman of
LB available. If the Bills can build the Defense into a very good one and can improve the OL a bit in FA and
the draft, then they can be competitive most of the time next year.
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Its not an all or nothing proposition. They would still have eight more picks to work with. That's true of the QB position as well, but I think this is a much, much better draft for OTs than QBs and that they stand a much better chance of getting a quality LT prospect in R2 than they do a QB.
IMHO, the ONLY big need on the OL is for a very good LT. There are not 5 very good LTs in the draft. I also don't believe
that there are more than 3 LTs worth a top 15 selection. Given the premium on the position, I'd guess that the good
ones will be gone leaving the Bills to reach for a non-first round caliber LT or a non-first-round calidber QB. I'd much
much rather that they get a good value and strengthen another area of the team - particularly the defense.
Just drafting a LT or a QB at 9 does not make that player worthy of the pick, nor does it necessarily solve a problem at LT or QB. If the guy is much better than D. Bell or Fitz/Edwards , then OK, but just throwing a pick at a position doesn't make it a good move.
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I heard this mentioned on the NFL network coverage also, could help him drop to the #41 slot, his combine will be a big indicator
He is so out of shape that I'd hope the Bills wouldn't waste even their 2nd pick on him. Guys like that
most often don't have the drive to get themselves into shape and therefore never reach their potential
in the NFL. Not saying he couldn't get it together, just that it is unlikely. Bruce Smith is an example of
someone who was fat coming out of college who "got fitness religion" and was tremendous - BUT there
are really few guys like that.
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Hard to believe that they hired Gailey without him having a Defensive Coordinator lined up. I don't see any real good quality DC's available which could be real problem next year. If he is struggling to find a DC, this defense will probably regress next year.
Don't you go into an interview for head coach basically having a coaching staff lined up. How did Gailey win this coaching job without a staff picked out?
Jeff Quinn of the Bulls had a staff basically set within less than a week of being given the job.
New coaches do not generally have their staffs lined up before they are hired. The only way that they could possibly
do that would be to have lined up other unemployed assistants. They can't legally contact coaches on other staffs and.
even if they could, who would quit a secured job to join the staff of some head coach who didn't have a job at that
point?
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I think that if they franchise Merriman which they should, we should trade Lynch for him straight up... What do you think? Almost feels realistic, then again with Gailey here Lynch is our BUS
Lynch is not going to fetch anything significant in trade, especially not Merriman. Lynch is a backup running back/
marginal starter with off-the-field problems and one mis-step away from another suspension.
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Well, I think Stroud could handle the nose duties, hes a mammoth and yes he is used to penetrating offensive lines rather than plug space, I think it would be fine for him to switch his style with no ill effects
and 3-4 defenses dont have "burners" at DE that force offenses to keep extra blockers in, ends in the 3-4 are usually just big bodies that push around the o-line and let edge rushers ie. linebackers, safeties and corners, to rush the passer...see richard seymour in NE in the past
Agreed, but the Bills don't have any edge rushers (at least at LB), either. Further, all of their LBs except Mitchell are
very very undersized to play a 3-4.
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It's a cyclical league. Everybody is going to a 3-4 on defense right now. The smart play is to stay 4-3. Grab the guys who fall because they don't fit into the 3-4. You end up with superior athletes as compared to their draft spot, who fell because they didn't fit into the current fad. Switching to the 3-4 now is comparable to preparing for the last war instead of the next one. The Billls aren't making the playoffs next year, they should get into the best position for the future.
This has happened before (early 90's). The last time everybody adopted the 3-4 they all fought to grab those very few people on earth that make an effective 3-4 NT. Lots of good players were ignored because they didn't fit the scheme. They were grabbed by those teams that didn't make the switch )particularly the Cowboys and Bucs). They had great defenses thanks to that, and dominated the next 10 years. I'd like to see the Bills ahead of the curve instead of chasing it, for a change.
Right On!
This might be the best post that I've seen in a while here. Very insightful. Add to this that the Bills current defenders
don't fit a 3-4 well at all and you'd have to turn over most of your DL and LBs just to make the conversion. Very hard
to do when many other teams are now competing for the very same players that you'd need.
The 4-3 will work fine if you have good players. The Bills clearly need at least one, maybe 2 more starting LBs and
need more pass rush from their DEs. I suspect that the Bills will end up having to trade Schobel to a contender othewise
he will likely retire, so that will make a pass rusher even more important.
No doubt, the Bills have big needs on offense including LT and QB, but I would rather see them get an outstanding
DE, LB or DT than to reach for whatever is left at LT or QB at #9. Bolster the D (4-3) and fix the OL and then fill
in the skill positions next year.
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It would definitely help us land guys like Wilfork, Seymour and Banta-Cain in FA...
Not anymore than all the Bills' defensive FAs will follow Fewell to NY.
FAs mostly go where the money is.
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AZ had the 28th ranked run offense in the league last year.
The Bills had the 30th ranked offense this year. Not sure if this is to inspire hope, or if it is a hire that Gailey has been familiar with in the past.
They do throw the ball a little in Az with Warner, Fitzgerald, Bolden and Breaston. That 28th ranking could have
been partially because they throw much more than they run because they have so much talent in the passing
game. Kinda like The Bills' relatively high ranking in pass defense was to some extent just a reflection of
how putrid they were against the run.
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I disagree that it is abnormal for a head coach to be hired and then take some time to put together a staff.
He surely has some ideas who he wants on his staff, but job interviews and checking out other candidates
than the ones you already know requires some time. Also, it is *possible* that he might want someone
from one of the playoff teams so he might need to wait for that.
Still, pickings are slim with so few teams having let their coaching staffs go this offseason. He will either
have to get people who were not coaching last year or he'll have to convince people from other's staffs
to come here for a promotion (eg LB coach to DC).
One of my biggest concerns with how long it took to hire the HC was that there would be few coaches available
to fill out his staff.
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I don't think that you can really tell anything from Reich working with Manning. I am pretty sure that Manning would
still be great if I was his QB coach. On the flip side, that doesn't mean that Reich isn't any good.
I think that Reich's career as an intelligent dedicated under-talented QB whose main contributions were as a sounding
board for Jim Kelly *might* be a good background for being a QB coach and maybe OC someday.
I would think that hiring Reich would be an interesting and exciting thing for a team desperately in need of some
excitement.
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Because there is no franchise QB in the draft worthy of the round 1 pick.
As for LT, Campbell from Maryland will be there late 1st early 2nd rd. I would trade up to this position while maintaining the 41st pick overall, hard to do. Also, #9 pick should with out a doubt go to McClain, have to grab the talent while its there, if its there.
Lefevour with the 41st, Grab your franchise QB next draft.
Why would you advocate spending a 2nd round pick this year on a QB if you plan to spend another
high draft pick on a QB next year? As a stop-gap starter a rookie is a very poor idea. I'd rather
watch Fitzgerald, Edwards and Brohm fight it out than a rookie start -UNLESS the Bills are very
sure that the rookie is their long-term answer.
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I understand the sentiment that the Blls have been bad for a very long time and therefore it must be Tom Modrak's fault.
However, I've been a draft fanatic for 20+ years and that has allowed me to gain the perspective that:
1. it isn''t always the scouts problem.
2. the team's needs often dictate reaching for players
3. the coaches, who haven't scouted the players often get final say
4. THE DRAFT IS A CRAPSHOOT ANYWAY. Many many picks that look great on draft day go in the
crapper.
Modrak's draft record is actually pretty good. Now, they haven't addressed the OL until last year. Do you
think that is because Modrak didn't scout any OLmen? They didn't hit on JP Losman - do you think no other
team would have taken him at about the same spot? And, do you think that his flameout had nothing to do with the
coaching he received and the talent (or lack of) around him?
Just my opinion, but Modrak has a pretty decent record drafoting and you can't blame him for all of the choices.
Given the reality that there are always a lot of draft busts, I think he's done fine.
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I know that I've come across as more negative than I really am, but Jerry Sullivan is a flat-out whiney little
sh*t. There is NOTHING that the Bills could do that would make him say anything remotely positive about them.
I hope that Nix embarrasses him badly in public many times.
Do not draft LT in the first round, we don't need one there.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I generally agree that if there is a very good LT available, they should take him. I DO NOT like Davis from Rutgers - too fat and lazy to take that high. I don't think Iupati is a LT candidate, but I like everything I've read about him, problem is, if you take him and he can't play LT, then what? Maybe he can play RT, but he is really more of a OG and I think the
Bills are already pretty solid there with Levitre, Wood and Ingonito.
Bulaga might be an OK pick, but #9 might be a little high for him.
I think Okung and Williams will be gone.
On the QB side, I don't know if I am sold on any of them. I think Bradford will be gone and I don't think Clausen is
worth that pick. I don't think Tebow should go before rnd 3 and I wouldn't take Pike or any other QB in the first.