OldTimer1960
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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
He is projected to go late 2nd/early 3rd so I'm surprised we're bringing him in. I really don't want a RB before day three this year, too many other needs to fill.
Especially since we only have two picks before day 3. Neither should be a RB.
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4 hours ago, BRH said:
Everyone saying “don’t trade up in a WR-heavy class” was probably also saying we shouldn’t have traded up to pick a QB in Josh’s year.
There may be a bunch of first-round talents. But not all of them will pan out and not all of them will fit here, in Buffalo, in this offense, with this QB. I think Beane knows who he wants for this team.If you’ve identified the guy you have to have, go get him. Don’t worry about what it costs.
I think this team is much further away from championship contender than 1 WR.
The Chargers are not that different than Bills roster wise right now. If they get one of the top 3 WR do they instantly vault into SB contention?
It is going to take a good draft this year and next year to replenish the team with young talent. I’m for moving around the draft with modest trades to get guys they really like, but I’m not keen on giving up next year’s picks at a discount for one player.
Just my view- does not mean that I am right.
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18 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:
I am probably more on the train for Brian Thomas in the top 15 than I am going up to say 9 which I think is the likeliest spot. I do think there is a good possibility that Rome Odunze could slip and I would love to get him.
If the Bears want to do it, I think you have to add in this years draft picks since they dont have many. A lot of people suggest the Rich Hill Model now.
Bears pick:
9 (Worth 387 points)
2025 4th Rounder(Worth 15 points)
Total: 402 Points
Bills trade:
28(209 points)
2025 1st Rounder(120 points)
2024 4th Rounder(19 points)
2024 5th Rounder(13 Points)
2025 3rd Rounder (50 points)
Total: 411 points
This would give the Bills the opportunity to draft Rome Odunze at 9
This would leave the Bills in the 2024 draft with: 9, 60, 4th rounder, 2 5th rounders, 2 6th rounders, and a 7th rounder....this leaves the Bills with 8 draft picks
Next Year: 2nd(Vikings), 2nd (Bills) 4th, 4th(Davis Comp pick), 4th(Bears Trade) 5th, 5th (Floyd Comp pick), 6, 6(Basham Trade)......this leaves the Bills with 9 draft picks next year.
I think this is a very plausible scenario for Rome if he falls.
I think 2025 3rd would be discounted to value of a 4th this year.
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2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:
I voted Worthy. Then I’d take another in RD 2.
It’s going to be tough to pass up that element we just don’t have. And really haven’t since Smoke.
It’s close rn for me with him or Mitchell.
Curtis Samuel ran 4.31 at the combine, so they do have some top end speed. I can’t get past 165lbs for Worthy - just too small for the first for me.
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1 minute ago, mannc said:
Absolutely f’ng not
Well, that was insightful.
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I am still not interested in parting with next year’s first or 2nd round picks. Maybe trade next year’s 3rd and one of our fourths to get a 3rd this year.
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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Yep.
Option 1: Trade up big, giving up next year's #1, one of next year's #2s and some mid round picks and get into the top 10 for one of the consensus top 3;
Option 2: Trade up smaller giving up one of next year's #2s and a mid round pick for (most likely) Thomas;
Option 3: Take an X receiver at #28 (likely Mitchell or Legette) and a Z type / move receiver at #60;
Option 4: Take a Z type / move receiver at #28 (likely Ladd or Worthy) and trade up in round 2 giving up one of next year's #2s for an X receiver (likely Legette or Coleman) in the 40s.
I think we are going to see one of those 4 options.
FWIW, I hope it isn’t Coleman. I’d be happy Legette and could settle for Baker or Polk if they are at 60 or later.
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Having two #2s next year and no Diggs makes a trade into the top 15 this year using #28 and our 25 1st rounder much more likely IMO.
That is still going to miss out on the top 3 WR. Is Brian Thomas Jr worth 2 1sts? They will be gambling that he develops into a complete prospect instead of just a deep threat. It isn’t an unreasonable gamble as you can see his movement skills, but that is a steep price, in my opinion.
Do you think they might trade up and take a DE like Latu?
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1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
Can we go up and get Harrison?
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I still don’t like the idea of giving up next year’s 1st in a trade up this year, but it is a little more possible with them now having 2 2nds next year.
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1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:
No he didnt. Sam Darnold or JJ McCarthy is starting for the Vikings. He’s getting essentially a very early 2nd rounder for a 30 year old declining WR who is a pain in the assThat’s hopefully right. Could be a real rough year in 24, though I am on board with the move.
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1 minute ago, Jerboski said:
I’m glad he is gone bur damn beane got fleeced
What did you expect to get for a 30 year old diva who had a down 2nd half of last season?
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4 minutes ago, bills6969 said:
We better trade this pick to move up and draft one of the top WRs
A 2025 2nd will be worth a 3rd this year. Not moving them up much by trading that.
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20 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
I don't think the same could be said for WR as the team had to bring in John Brown and Beasley in 2019 to turn around the WR room and then traded a first for Diggs to get Josh his WR1. Yes the team found Gabe Davis in round 4 and he ended up being a decent receiver and they found Shakir in round 5 and he's shown a lot of promise this past season. But since 2018 when Josh got here, the team's best WR seasons have come from Diggs (2020-2023), John Brown (2019) and Beasley (2019-2020) all of which have come from veteran WR's brought in via fairly big free agent contracts or traded for a 1st round pick.
Generally speaking if the Bills are in a place in the draft where at pick 28 (assuming there isn't a trade down available) they should be able to find a WR, DE, OG, C or DT that has a first round grade as opposed to taking a CB at that selection. That's 5 different positions where a late 1st should yield you positive short term and long term impact more so than a CB would.
I agree, but I don’t think I’d be excited about a G or C in the first. I’d sooner the C if it is Powers-Johnson. I’m still not understanding why you don’t think a good CB could have a big impact near or long term. Douglas is 30, Benford looks a little promising and Elam is at best unproven. A real top CB (like they hoped Elam was) that can play tough man and also be good in zone would help a lot, in my opinion.
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35 minutes ago, nosejob said:
That's why next years 1st is in play. It should get us an extra 2nd and 3rd this year, where BB can make hay. With at least a few teams with 2 2nd and 3rd rounders, now's the time to strike. Our 4ths and 5ths combined wouldn't give us a sniff of a 3rd.
However, we could end up with ie: 28,41,60 and 88. Then those later picks could give us to wiggle room.
I don’t think that next year’s first is worth more than this year’s 2nd in a trade. Teams generally discount a pick next year by a round when used in trade for picks this year.
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2 hours ago, billsfan89 said:
Given McD's ability to turn late round picks (Benford and Dane Jackson), mid round picks (Taron Johnson) and un-drafted players (Levi Wallace) into players ranging from serviceable starters to elite players at their position I don't think there is really a need to invest a high pick at corner. Corner at pick 28 would be a "luxury" pick at a position that there isn't a need and the coach has shown he can find players elsewhere at.
DL/OL/WR are all positions where the Bills should be able to find "first round value" at and all positions that would service the Bills short and long term needs better. Taking a corner at pick 28 would in my opinion be a drought era move expending a critical asset at a position where they are solid at and when other needs are vastly more pressing.
Just playing devil’s advocate - couldn’t same be said for WR? They have “found” starters without spending big $ in FA or high draft picks - and the offense has been very good.
To be clear, both WR and the secondary have been more “it’s fine” than “hey, this is a strength”. I am for Wr in round 1, provided that there is not a much higher rated player at another premium position including DE, DT, OT and CB. I actually would be excited to trade down and get either a late 3rd or early 4th. No WR that has any likelihood of being available is a “can’t pass up” guy. I could align with Mitchell, Legette or McConkey with some reservations on each.
In my view, if Verse, Latu, Murphy or Newton are there, I’d be very tempted. I could also really understand if they took Chop Robinson.
24 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:I've really focused on the day 1 to mid second round fellas. I would not want to invest a second in Walker or Burton, but maybe that is what you'd have to do to get them. Supposedly Burton is a very loose cannon. Polk, Pearsall and Roman Wilson I like in the second, but I want one of the WRs you and I agree on. Javon Baker is another fella I like a bit later. Cornelius Johnson is my late round flier guy.
That’s the challenge. If you take WR in the first, you could probably get an equivalent talent 10 picks later, though maybe not an X. BUT, if you pass on WR at 28 or after small trade down, you could be down to the 4th tier in WR by 60.
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On 3/30/2024 at 7:56 PM, nosejob said:
CB in the 1st would make me queezy for sure...uggh...even McD can't be that dumb.
Why would that be dumb? Premium position, some 1st round prospects, need likely next year.
I really don’t understand the fear of CB in the first round- and we hear it every year at draft time. It is a passing dominated league, somebody needs to cover receivers- hopefully well.
I am not arguing that they should take a CB in the first, but if they do it would not be like taking a RB or S or LB in the first- those positions have somewhat lesser value based on how the league pays them.
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1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Teams are using a revised chart these days. The modern trade chart, that more accurately reflects trades done in recent memory than that of the ancient Jimmy chart, does. It's the bottom of the 3rd, but it's a 3rd.
128 is 19 pts. 133 is 17 pts. That's 36 pts. Pick 99 is 36 pts. Pick 100 is 35 pts.
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp
Either late 3rd or early 4th would be OK in my opinion. There are usually some guys that are available at the top of the 4th that seem to stand above the others remaining. Of course, still better to have the late 3rd…
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2 hours ago, Turbo44 said:
I’d be much more interested in Polk than Walker at 60, and Polk prob last to 60
I don’t know. Polk is a tough dude and pretty solid-floor guy, but his upside seems pretty minimal to me. Walker is pretty raw and has his share of problems, but he has all kinds of athletic ability and size - if he improves he could be really good.
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On 3/22/2024 at 3:17 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:
1.28 DT Braden Fiske 6'5 295 Florida st
2.60 WR Xavier Legette 6'3 227 South Carolina
4.128 CB Cam Hart 6'3 204 Notre Dame
4.133 DE Xavier Thomas 6'2 253 Clemson
5.144 OT Sataoa Laumea 6'4 311 Utah
5.160 S Kitan Oladopo 6'2 219 Oregon st
5.163 DE Myles Cole 6'6 278 278
6.189 RB Kimani Vidal 5'8 218
6.200 WR Isaiah Williams 5'10 185
6.204 OT Andrew Coker 6'7 315 TCU
7.248 DE Braiden McGregor 6'5 257 Michigan
Would be pretty good. I’m a little worried about Fiske being a little undersized- especially his arm length, but he is an exciting prospect.
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1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:
I still want a mind blowing WR....find one!
I think that expectation is too high. They might find a good starting WR - and that’s fine. If you’re expecting superstar, uncoverable WR, I think you’ll be disappointed.
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3 hours ago, bills6969 said:
The WR pool is loaded this year. 1st round talent will fall into the 2nd round…guys like Laggette, Coleman and Tez Walker will be available in the 2nd round.
Legette won’t make it to 60 and Coleman could be pretty good or end up unable to get open at all. Walker has all sorts of athletic tools, but is a gamble that he can develop. I think if you get past mid-2nd you might not find a WR worth taking.
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4 hours ago, bills6969 said:
we have huge holes to fill in secondary. Need to prioritize it in draft. Dejean reminds me of Hyde. Could come in and fill immediate need. I also like Cole Bishop in round 3 or 4 if he’s available.
If the Bills believe he can be a good starting CB in the league, I could see it. I used to feel differently, but I would be reluctant to spend a first on him if they see him as a S.
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I guess I don’t have any big favorites - at least that are likely to be available at 28 and would be fits for the Bills.
I really like watching McConkey’s route running, but I don’t think the Bills will take him. I would also like Latu, but he is unlikely to be available.
Of the WRs that have a reasonable chance to be there, I guess I would go Mitchell, but I’m not super crazy about that.
On the flip-side, I would be a little disappointed if they took Troy Franklin at 28 - if they took him somewhere in the 2nd I would Be more happy with it.
They need D, but I don’t have any big favorites besides Latu and maybe Verse.
Just get the best players they can with their picks.
5 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said:hear ya, the tape dont lie tho... dudes a gamer with speed we severely lack.
Samuel ran a faster 40 than Franklin and Shakir was in the same range. They have some speed. More speed with size is needed.
[POLL] Should The Bills Trade Up For A WR?
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It’s the price to get that seems prohibitive. I can’t name one WR in the league already that I would trade 2 1st round picks plus more to get - it’s not like MHJ would be the final piece of the puzzle here. There are a lot of holes in this roster that need filling in the next 2 drafts.