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22 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
The comparison is Ladd. Height,weight,abilities. I don't want to hear he wasn't used outside enough BS. Look at his stats at Georgia playing on a weekly basis against the top competition in the country vs plating at Maryland
Got it and I agree there.
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13 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:
I can get on board with this. I’m finishing up my WR scouting report rankings now but honestly after the top 4 (Odunze, Harrison, Nabers, Thomas) that will all be off the board before our pick, there are 2 WRs I really want for Buffalo, Troy Franklin and AD Mitchell. I understand they both have a couple holes in their game (Franklin concentration drops and Mitchell lack of playing hard every snap). That’s a big reason they aren’t sure fire top 15 picks and that could be a blessing for us. They also are guys that are so talented. AD Mitchell is a faster and better route running George Pickens coming out and Franklin still screams faster and taller Diggs to me. I feel unlike some of the other WRs I like later, these 2 if coached up early will be #1 WRs on our team as soon as middle of this first year. This is such an awesome WR draft class. I hope we come away with at least 2
I don’t see any comparison between Franklin and Diggs. Diggs is a great route runner and Franklin can run fast in a straight line if there is nobody to push him off his route at 175lbs. Unless the Combine was just a really bad day for him, I would not be sure I’d take him at 60.
I see the talent in Mitchell, but something still feels like it’s missing. I would certainly understand if they took Mitchell at 28.
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12 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Well, to each his own. I would hate it. And "shiny new" has a subtly pejorative connotation. I think you build the offense into as powerful a unit as possible when you have a generational franchise QB. The lack of relative investment in weapons for Josh Allen is borderline criminal. And as I said, I don't see a player at #28 on D that is worth that price. If I were going to pay that price, I'd rather overpay and grab Sweat. He can be a 1T next to Ed, which could pay off. I think this is a draft where you just don't bother with edge, or grab a few late flyers.
No negative connotation was intended. Pretty much all of us would love a great new WR weapon. The problem to me is that, at least for now, they could not even put a full defense on the field and 60 and two very late 4th round picks are not going to fix that.
It will be a difficult decision, for sure.
To the point that the WR talent is better than the defensive talent - it’s true in general this year. But, while high upside, low production guys like Robinson feel too risky for my taste, I’m not sure the WRs after Thomas Jr are much better prospects than Robinson. I’m out on Worthy at 28 due to size and a bit questionable hands and I’m liukewarm on Mitchell and cool on Coleman. I know this board is high on Legette and I see size and speed there - I have not seen any pundits list him as a top 50 prospect (of course that doesn’t mean they aren’t wrong).
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15 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Deep draft at WR means you are getting real value at #28. If you wait till #60, that benefit is significantly diminished. It's a terrible draft at DE. The few that are truly worth a first will be long gone. (I'm not sold on Chop Robinson.) One should not conclude from that that making a rush to grab a mediocre player on DL is justified.
What the loss of the third means is that the 2nd rounder is not going to be WR, unless they end up trading back from #28.
I understand that we are all hoping for a shiny new WR - and it IS a need, but there will be good WR prospects available at 60 and *maybe* it is better value to take a swing on Chop Robinson’s traits (if available) at 28 and then come back with someone like Polk at end of 2nd.
I am just speculating, not advocating for that at the moment.
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2 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:
Hate to say it the Bills are gonna have to find a way to pay an Epenesa or similar player then bring in a vet minimum Shaq Lawson type. DTs will be able to be had deeper into the draft than DEs.
Later like end of the 4th?
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2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
11 Picks so far. We could use a 3rd after getting screwed by the league. But I don't know if I agree that if Thomas is gone we should Trade Down or wait until Round 2 on WR.
I think if Mitchell is on the board, we should pull the trigger. I worry about Worthy's fit, but being the fastest player ever recorded has me a little more liberal with giving him a chance. And I know you aren't as high on Legette as me, but from an athlete standpoint - he feels like exactly what we'd be looking for.
Personally after Mitchell and Legette are gone, I feel like the next tier of guys aren't great fits. McConkey, Pearsall, Corley, McMillan, and R. Wilson are all either Slots or not True Outside WR's imo. Franklin and Coleman have things about them that really bother me and were highlighted at the Combine.
If you wait until 60, who knows what's left. If you trade down, you could miss out on a guy like Mitchell or Legette that fit what I think we're looking for. I don't see it the same that after Thomas, there isn't that much of a difference on who we take and can afford to wait.
I think that not having a 3rd might push them to go D in 1st and leave wr to 60. Not what we all might want, but if they still need a potential starter at DE (in case Von can’t return to some form), they won’t find that at 60 whereas they might still find someone who could step in and provide what Davis did at 60.
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6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Yes and Beebee wasn’t a WR1 either
And Beebe weighed a lot more than 165.
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Just now, jkeerie said:
Well perhaps it's a low 3rd (which they were expecting anyway) and the Bills have to give up one of their lower round picks in exchange.
Yes, that’s possible. I think if they go back about 10 spots and add in one of their late 4ths, they might get into the back end of the 3rd.
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The 2 picks the Bills now have in the 4th PLUS the 3 5th rounders combined might get them a mid to late 3rd. And they really can’t afford to trade 5 picks for that 3rd.
I think they will look to trade back out of the first - maybe 10 plus spots to try to work a deal (throwing in a 4th or 5th) to get a 3rd rounder.
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10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
except it seems like they lose NONE of their many quality players. I don’t understand how this works.Niners traded for CMC because they knew the league would stockpile picks back to them. Disgraceful.
Their QB is playing for $300 and a room in the back corner.
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9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
Even though he shouldn’t … we see Beane has no patience to sweat out those last couple of picks to get “his guy” …. So he will probably trade the comp pick fourth to move up two spots if his guy is still there …
I think not having a third round pick puts an end to the Thomas Jr dream … even in the unlikely event he fell to the early 20s he is still out of reach now …
You could be right, but I hope not.
I understand that free agency has yet to play out and they might find a few stop-gap vets to fill defensive holes, but they likely will need to count on some rookies on that side of the ball and I’d rather it not be late 4th and 5th round guys having to play. This defense could be pretty bad next year.
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1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Beane might acquire a 3rd IMO a 4, 5, 6 type of deal or a player
If they do (unless it’s a trade of a player), I still would not trade up. They are going to need their 2nd and 3rd to play a fair bit on defense this year.
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4 minutes ago, jkeerie said:
This makes sense especially if the Bills are targeting WR with their first pick. They could drop down a few slots, recoup a 3rd round pick and still have a nice selection of WR targets.
I’m ok with a move down, but it won’t recoup a 3rd unless they move down quite a ways.
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4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Depends on how high they want to move up. Could throw in next year's 3rd...less valuable but still
Well, you are right that they could. I don’t think that would be smart business. With the state of the defense, they will probably be picking earlier in each round next year. I would not trade that away.
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With today’s news about receiving a comp pick at the end of round 4 instead of the expected round 3, we can expect no trade up in the first. They can’t afford to trade up in first then address the gaping holes on defense at 60 and the sit until end of 4th to get another defender. Forget “double dipping” at WR early, as well.
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Scratch trading up in the first.
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44 minutes ago, nosejob said:
IMO , if it's down to Leggette and Coleman, I'd take Legette. However, there are enough teams with two 2nd rd. picks, I'd gladly give up next years 1st to get a another 2nd this year. That way we could go with say...Legette, Sweat and Ladd or Wilson at 60.
Or what if...say...Byron Murphy somehow drops to 28. We could trade SF next year's 1st for Aiyuk and still get another good one at 60....IDK.
I've been reading BR's scouting reports on all positions and compared to most media, the draft slot projections are way different. It seems their grades are much lower than the media and maybe given recent history more accurate.
Of course nothing matters until FA begins.
I would not trade next year’s 1. This could be a step-back season with all of the losses on D. I would not want to be sitting here a year from now having traded a mid 1st round pick for an extra 2nd this year.
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2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:
Wish he would do the same with the Sabres. Instead he cuts scouting to 1 pro scout and refuses to spend in free agency.
He has lots of revenue from NFL - NHL not so much.
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On 3/5/2024 at 12:25 PM, ngbills said:
AD Mitchell vs Gabe Davis - Draft Profile Comps
Very similar size but Mitchell is much more athletic - faster, jump higher and farther, etc.
40 Time - Mitchell 4.34 vs 4.54
10 yd split - Mitchell 1.52 vs 1.56
Vert Jump - Mitchell 39.5 vs 35
Broad Jump - 11'4 vs 10'4
Ht and Wt - Mitchell 6'2, 205 vs 6'2, 216
Hand - Mitchell 9 vs 9 1/4
Arm - Mitchell 32 3/8 vs 32 1/4
Add Mitchell has better hands.
On 3/5/2024 at 12:25 PM, ngbills said:AD Mitchell vs Gabe Davis - Draft Profile Comps
Very similar size but Mitchell is much more athletic - faster, jump higher and farther, etc.
40 Time - Mitchell 4.34 vs 4.54
10 yd split - Mitchell 1.52 vs 1.56
Vert Jump - Mitchell 39.5 vs 35
Broad Jump - 11'4 vs 10'4
Ht and Wt - Mitchell 6'2, 205 vs 6'2, 216
Hand - Mitchell 9 vs 9 1/4
Arm - Mitchell 32 3/8 vs 32 1/4
Add Mitchell has better hands.
On 3/5/2024 at 12:25 PM, ngbills said:AD Mitchell vs Gabe Davis - Draft Profile Comps
Very similar size but Mitchell is much more athletic - faster, jump higher and farther, etc.
40 Time - Mitchell 4.34 vs 4.54
10 yd split - Mitchell 1.52 vs 1.56
Vert Jump - Mitchell 39.5 vs 35
Broad Jump - 11'4 vs 10'4
Ht and Wt - Mitchell 6'2, 205 vs 6'2, 216
Hand - Mitchell 9 vs 9 1/4
Arm - Mitchell 32 3/8 vs 32 1/4
Add Mitchell has better hands.
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Regardless of whether Bills met with him or not, I really enjoyed watching 3 games of Ladd McConkey (Alabama, Auburn, Oregon (22)). His footwork is amazing.
I know he isn’t an X and the Bills need a big X, but what the Bills really need are good offensive weapons and to my eyes he is a good one. I’m not saying they should take him, but I would sure understand if they do and then look for another guy to play Davis’ role in a low-end FA or later (maybe Javon Baker if he is around near the 4th). I would not count on Justin Shorter, but I would not discount him getting some play time at X.
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On 3/4/2024 at 11:41 AM, ChevyVanMiller said:
Great points ranking of who the Bills met with at the combine by Dean Kindig (Astro). It’s predicated on how many coaches/GM were present and how many times they scouted them or are having them in for a 30 visit.
Based on his research WR Roman Wilson and DL Kris Jenkins are two players to keep an eye on.
Michigan had 18 players at the Combine. I would not let “visit points” all be attributed to Jenkins and Wilson there. I’m not saying that the Bills aren’t interested in either, but it isn’t surprising that more Bills scouting was done for Michigan than other schools with fewer prospects.
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14 hours ago, Turbo44 said:
Ladd is growing on me. If Thomas is gone, i would take Ladd at 28 and back it up by taking Legette/Corley/Johnny Wilson at 60. Torn between Ladd, Mitchell and Franklin though
I know it’s fun to think about, but I would be incredibly shocked if the Bills took WR in both the 1st and 2nd round with the defense in the shape that it is in currently. They could not field a DL or S group today and they can’t count on Tre White returning to form at CB.
1 hour ago, Brand J said:I wanted Franklin at 28 before the combine, but if he’s going to show up 2 inches shorter and almost 20 pounds lighter than his listed ht/wt, that boy better run a 4.3. His time was disappointing for his frame, can he add 20 pounds and maintain 4.4 speed? Not a risk I want to take in round 1.
I’m more concerned about how clumsy he (Franklin) looked running pass routes. If I recall correctly, he tripped twice running against air - and those weren’t cases where his feet slid out from under him. He has long legs and they seemed awkward trying to make sharp cuts.
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29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Who would you say is the best WR when plays break down and the QB is out of the pocket?
When I watched Brendan Rice, he never seemed to stop running no matter how long the QB held the ball. I’m guessing that you might possibly be able to get him at 99.
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13 minutes ago, DCOrange said:
Sure, but he ran more pass routes this year than every other WR in the class besides the Odunze and Polk and was still below average in terms of yards. He was near the bottom of the class in terms of targets/pass play and yards/route run too. Other guys that played with talented teammates: Nabers, Thomas, Franklin, Harrison, McConkey, Rice, Tahj Washington, Odunze, Polk, McMillan, Worthy, etc. all above him in that regard, most of them significantly above. Keon Coleman is the only other guy that was in a similar situation and had similar struggles but he at least produced decently well on a per snap basis before he transferred to Florida State.
Not my intent to argue that Mitchell is who they should draft - or not draft. I was only offering one possible explanation - that is too many mouths to feed. I agree that Mitchell’s numbers were underwhelming given the measurables he flashed at the combine. Something seems maybe a little off.
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2024 WR Draft Class
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I am not pounding the table to pick defense in round 1, but at present, the offense needs 1 starter and 1 depth receiver and maybe bakups at RB and IOL if a good player is there at one of their picks. I think the D needs starting DT, pass rushing DE, backup DT, starting S and probably a depth CB.
I think the defensive needs are quite a bit greater than the needs of the offense. Now, if there is a WR there at 28 that they really like, I won’t be upset at all if they draft him.
I know FA is yet to play out, but if we listen to Beane’s own words, he isn’t shopping at the high or even middle tiers due to cap restrictions. Maybe they will sign some players to fill those holes on D before the draft - if so great! I am just not expecting that to be the case and if you need defenders to play meaningful time this year it seems like you at least need to consider getting one early and settle for a lower tier, but still good WR prospect.
Again, not arguing no WR in round 1, rather highlighting that I think many are not realizing how many true holes there are on D.