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1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Latham? Maybe Braswell?
A bit surprised with all the Pro Days that happened yesterday that's the one he was at. Bama has some good prospects but don't seem to fit our glaring needs on paper. What's he up to?
My guess: DE Braswell, WR Burton, their two CBs, and they have another DL who could be a day 3 pick.
Always smart to go to the schools that get the top high school recruits like Bama, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State…
19 minutes ago, Low Positive said:If the point of this thread is to panic, both Zac Taylor and Mike McDaniel were at the Texas pro day. Imagine Worthy with Waddle and Hill.
Miami should be looking at the Texas DTs after losing Wilkins.
1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:Cornelius Bennett?
I get that. But to send the GM to that Pro Day with so many other ones happening at the same time is rather curious to me. I would have though he would want to see a bit more of the WR/DTs ect that were a bigger need over some potential UDFAs.
They likely have seen plenty and while Beane has final say (with McDermott), he relies on the scouting department as well.
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1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
depending how things go draft night for us....if we get the WR we want in Round 1
It's still possible the Bills decide to trade Diggs to a team that didn't get the WR they wanted.
The Commanders and Texans both have multiple 2nds (I think) and would be logical trade partners.Ideally we could get the Cowboys 1st at 24, but we'd probably need to add a 4th and a 3rd next year at least.
Best case scenario albeit very unlikely....is us coming away with 2 WR's in the 1stI don’t think they can handle the cap hit to trade Diggs and after his down last third of the season, unsure who would bite.
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5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
His 48% completion percentage (15-31) is outstanding.
I think this signals the Bills will draft a safety.
They were going to draft a safety either way, but a 1 year deal.seems pretty temporary- like they plan to take one who could compete to start in a year (or sooner). Not a premium position, but still a hole to fill.
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2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:
Not spending draft picks on WR at this point is criminal. It’s year f’ing 7 of Franchise QB Josh Allen’s career.
I am not arguing against using a high pick on a WR. I hope that they do draft one in the first or second round and I hope the one they draft turns out to be great.
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3 hours ago, HappyDays said:
No it isn't. By our 2nd round pick we'll be choosing from the likes of Malachi Corley and Brenden Rice. Fine players that would be decent picks at that spot. But not likely difference makers. Do the easy thing and take a WR first. It is by far the most likely choice to have a meaningful impact on the team.
Harrison Phillips was drafted higher than any WR under this regime. Think about that.
I think that you have to count the draft choice used to acquire Stefan Diggs as being used on a WR. When Allen was young, they filled in at WR with vets to help him out.
I do hope that they take a WR early, but they should do that because there is a need at WR and hopefully there is a good WR available at their pick - they should not do it just because they haven’t recently drafted any WR early.
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17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Basham Oliver top10 pick Phillips
Basham was mainly a DE and drafted late 2nd. Oliver is a fine player. Are you talking about Harrison Phillips who was picked in the late 3rd?
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18 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
DT is a great idea. I don’t understand why fans hate DL so much.
Yep, the Super Bowl Champs just paid their star DT huge money - they think DT is important.
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26 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
A lot of the newer mock drafts have WRs being pushed down with teams snatching up corners, OL and DL guys and overdrafting QBs. That could be a good sign.
I agree with you. I wasn't there last year, but I am there now. Just keep adding offensive weapons, specifically WR.
There was a lot of hype around the receipt class and it looks very good, but it may have been over-hyped a bit.
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24 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:
Mine aren’t.I guess mine aren’t either!
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11 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:
I only read the first page of this thread. Went to YouTube and watched a Franklin highlight reel, and I came here to post that he reminds me so much of Antonio Brown.Everyone’s highlights are good.
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On 3/17/2024 at 3:25 PM, ColoradoBills said:
Exactly what I was thinking. Many have been saying that. The thing is using the new Trade Value Chart you have to bundle A LOT
of those Day 3 picks to get from 128 (Bills top 4th round pick) into the mid 90's. I figure it takes that 4th and 2 5th to make that move.
You also have to find a partner to do it.
So, once again, my new counterargument is on the odds that the picks given up COULD be worth more drafting guys than using them
on the chance of that one 3rd rounder hitting.
I'm in no way saying to do what I said, just getting feedback. Thanks for yours!
This is the real issue. I’ve heard talk radio playing up “they have 11 picks” stuff, but the total “draft capital” they have isn’t that high. Those late 4ths, and 5ths are not going to move them up very far unless you bundle 3 for 1. There are 66 picks between the Bills’ 2nd round pick at 60 and their next pick late in round 4.
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12 hours ago, Dr. Who said:
He had a disastrous Combine, and smaller than publicized. Maybe he persuades with a good workout.
Round 2 for me at this point.
Yes, his Combine performance was bad. His gauntlet was poor, but what caught my attention more was seeing him fall 2x on cuts while running routes against air. I know that his tape was better than that, but the combination of that and being only 175lbs is a concern. I would not touch him at 28, but maybe late 2nd. Still, where would a 6’2” 175lb WR who is mainly a straight line route runner play?
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12 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:
Not sure if true, but some including I think cover1 have speculated he was 165 lbs just so he could try to break the record 40 yard dash time and will likely play closer to 175 lbs.I can certainly believe that.
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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:
ELITE GAME CHANGER! 🔥🔥🔥
Worthy will be a dangerous weapon, but at 165lbs he is too small for a 1st round pick, in my opinion.
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1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:
As the WR room stands right now, it is average even with Diggs, we really should get as close to a WR 1b as we can in the draft at 28, we need to stop short changing the offense in this regard.
Question is, who is WR1b? It appears to be a class that has 3 excellent prospects at the top (Harrison, Nabers, Odunze), the 1 guy in the next tier (Thomas Jr). Beyond them, I think the candidates that have potential to be “wr1” (whatever that is) are Mitchell and maybe Coleman (but I’m not even sure Coleman will be good in the league).
While I love McConkey he may be more complimentary as I think Legette probably is (Legette is explosive and powerful, I don’t know that he will be a high volume receiver). I think Worthy will be dangerous, but not wr1 at his size. Likewise, I don’t see Franklin or Walker as lead wr types.
Instead of focusing on Diggs’ eventual replacement, I think they should be looking to have a group that works together among Kincaid, Samuel, Diggs and Shakir and Knox. The missing element now is the big boundary guy who can threaten deep and make the contested catches - ability to be a red zone jump ball guy is a plus.
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1 minute ago, richardb1952 said:
I would think Ladd McConkey would be a great choice for KC, whereas I feel Bills need a WR like Mitchell or Thomas Jr to really take the top off from opposing defenses. McConkey in slot with Mahomes would be brutal. Mitchell with Allen would really open the whole field for Bills.
I loved watching tape of McConkey - great route runner who is really fun to watch. But, would he not be operating in mostly the same space that Kelce does? Now, I could see them drafting him with an eye towards 2025 when Kelce has probably retired.
It’s tons of fun to discuss these scenarios!
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11 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
They might shift emphasis to the Oline, that would make sense, and there could be value there. But just as I don't think signing Samuel means WR is no longer a need for the Bills, I don't take signing Brown as automatically ruling out WR as both a need and a likely possibility for the Chiefs. I don't believe Beane can trust them to stay put, and I just would presume they will move up if the WR they want is within striking range.
There's still calculation and speculation involved, and you could get it wrong. The poker analogies aren't inapt. Maybe KC wants Worthy, and waits it out, for instance. Beane could move up for nothing, though most teams will probably surmise WR is a target for us, and so multiple teams might consider getting ahead of us if the right player is coveted. For me, it's Thomas and Mitchell that are the fellas you think about. If you want someone else, stay put or even trade back into the early second.
That could all be right, but I wonder if we as a fan base have come to be overly obsessed with WR. KC has Rashee Rice who had a nice rookie year and just signed Brown. They still have TE Kelce who was dominant in the playoffs. You could be right that they will load up at WR, but if I were them, I’d fortify another position. I think the Bills’ position is a bit different in that Diggs might be on the decline, whereas Rice and Brown are both young and Kelce could be near the end, but did not look like that when it counted last year.
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46 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
I can see Beane anticipating KC jumping us, and moving up to fend it off. Plan B is okay by me if they land Legette, but it ought to be plan B.
Do you still think KC wants to jump the Bills now that they have signed Marquise Brown? I would say that would take them out of that mindset, but of course I don’t know that.
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5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I also think Coleman is a high probability, maybe even at 28. He is a guy who is open when not open and would be a big weapon in tough weather game.
If we don't land Thomas or someone like that earlier, I would keep an eye on Coleman.
I don’t know about Coleman. I’m not the “he has to run 4.4 to be good” guy, but Coleman’s speed is pretty questionable for round 1 and while he is smooth, he lacks the lateral quickness to really shake coverage - of course those are just my unqualified opinions.
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10 hours ago, The Jokeman said:
Until I know what's available at 28 all of these options are questionable. I mean as the roster stands now a DLineman looks like the biggest need outside of Safety but I don't see any Safety prospects with Round 1 grades. Also Hollis is 30 and in a 1 year deal. So if a WR falls to us at 28, I wouldn't pass on one unless a quality DT or DE is on the board.
The DL depth and Safety position need to be addressed for sure. If they don’t add at least a viable backup DT and a vet Safety who could start if he had to, then I think we will see trades made to allow them to add this and a WR. Maybe it’s a trade down from 28 to get more ammo to trade up later or may it’s stand pat at 28, but move up in the 2nd or try to get back into the 3rd.
As the roster stands today, I don’t think they will want to leave day 2 without addressing WR, DT (or DE) and S - they don’t have 3 picks in day 1 and 2 and that is what I think they will try to do. I mean it would be nice to leave day 2 with Legette or Mitchell (if they are satisfied that he isn’t a loafer) and maybe a candidate to start at S, but then you’re watching 69 players go before your next pick which would almost be forced to be a DL late in the 4th that will have to play a lot of snaps.
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9 hours ago, Dr. Who said:
Mitchell, I think, is the best attainable choice. The top 3 are out of reach, and Thomas would be way too expensive. (But if he falls a bit, yes, go get him.) After Mitchell, there's some drop off, you can argue how much. I like Legette more than most, but you can probably get him in the second. I wouldn't take Coleman in the first, but I'm okay in the second. Mitchell is the WR who if he hits is WR1 on a rookie contract for five years. And you might not need to make a ridiculous leap up to grab him. If I were Beane, I'm probably not waiting for KC or someone else to knife me in the back. Folks can cry all they want about Beane getting antsy, I'd trade up to fend off the wolves.
I think the list you laid out are the narrowed down candidates. With the signing of Samuel, they filled a need for a proven vet with speed, but did nothing to add size and strength to play the boundary. If they still want a bigger boundary guy it seems to me that there are only a few in this draft: Mitchell, Legette, Coleman and maybe you could add Polk to that list. Later, they might consider Walker, Javon Baker or Brenden Rice.
I suspect that the Samuel signing lowers the interest in smaller options like McConkey, Worthy, Franklin and Roman Wilson. Some of them are very good prospects, but they lack the size that I would think they are after now. I am not saying that they will completely rule out these guys, but rather I think they want to fill the “power forward” spot on their offense. The counter to my point here is Miami who really only has 2 5’10” receivers in Hill and Waddle.
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25 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
I hope this doesn't go the way of Rodgers where they just disrespect the position until the guy wants to leave. Luckily he isn't even a fraction of that kind of crazy.
They have had Diggs who has been top part of the league and they added Kincaid last year. I know the narrative is that they have ignored Allen, but those two were big investments and an argument can be made that you are paying Allen to be able to elevate lesser receivers.
I am not saying that they should not draft a receiver early, only that the cupboard hasn’t been completely empty.
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I think the signing of Samuel really narrows down the WR candidate field in the draft. They now have three receivers without great size and nobody with a strong body and above average height and speed. I would think that makes guys like Worthy, McConkey, Franklin and Wilson less attractive to the Bills. If they really want a big X, it would seem to come down to only a few who fit that description: Mitchell, Legette, Coleman, maybe Polk or Walker or Rice.
I yield to others who know how to evaluate tape better than I do. What are your thoughts?
3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:I have the same hunch.
What do you think of DeJean? If he has to play S in the NFL, would it be a little rich for one at 28 given that the league seems to not want to pay safeties?
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6 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:
I have a feeling that, after signing Samuel, that they could go BPA in the first round, and take a WR with their 2nd or 4th pick.
I think waiting until late 4th for WR would leave them with not much. It is a strong class, but the top 12 or more will likely be gone by the end of the 2nd, surely by late 4th.
What starting spots still need to be filled?
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I think you could be right - though unsure there will be a really good prospect at DE available at 28. I was pleasantly surprised at how much havoc Chop Robinson created in a couple of games I watched, while he had a few good pressures, he couldn’t get home. So, maybe on him. If they were higher in round 2 maybe Braswell. I guess some like Kneeland - I have to find and watch some of his games.