OldTimer1960

This team is crumbling in front of everyone. At least cuts should be easy. About 40 guys volunteered to be cut tonight.

If this team isn't looking for at least 2 QBs after this game, then they don't have a clue. Young is terrible and Thigpen wouldn't start at UB. No chance unless Fitz plays a miracle season, which is unlikely.

I try to remain optimistic after all of these years, but this looks like another 6-10 or 7-9 team. I don't think Fitz is decent NFL starting QB and I am not sure that there is another NFL-caliber backup QB on the roster. They need to be scouring the waiver wire for a decent QB when cuts are made. There is 1 NFL level starting WR on this roster and it is Stevie Johnson. Beyond him, David Nelson is OK, but the remainder shouldn't be in an NFL camp. I *think* maybe Naaman Roosevelt can play in this league as a 4th WR, but I am pretty sure that they will cut him because he doesn't fit their prototype of size at every position. It hurts that the team looks to have gone 0-2010 in the draft. I have been a Spiller supporter up until now, but this guy just isn't a good NFL RB. He does have speed, but for as fast as he is, he is no threat in the passing game and is also fumble-prone. For all of the hype that the defense has received, I am not sure that they are a top 1/2 of the league team. Someone help me find a reason for optimism.

Ugh, are you a scout? Did you consider that after last preseason he was playing with a broken vertabrae? I am sure that you were a professional athlete and fought through injury to make it big. This kind of nonsense is perpetuated by media jerks like Mike Schopp who think that being sarcastic qualifies them as media stars. OK, worst case scenario - a 2nd round pick got hurt and never contributed. That makes the Bills like every other team. For those dying to point out that they could have had Rob Gronkowski, please note that he missed his entire last year in college with a back injury. None of you, nor a good medical staff, could have predicted Troup's injury. Do you not think that the area and regional scouts that were under Modrak were the primary source of the Bills' board that season? What do you think? Do you think that Nix should have bought Mel Kiper's book and drafted out of that?

OK, identify 4 DTs that are available who have even the most REMOTE chance of making this team. I am not saying that Troup will ever contribute to this team, but I AM saying that of the available players at his position right now, he has BY FAR the best chance of contributing to this team in the future. If you were hired for a job and were injured on that job, how would you feel about a public outcry to replace you? I am pretty sure that you would feel differently about that.

With rosters at 90 players league-wide, I think it is pretty safe to say that there is not another "body with potential" to move on with. Now, after final cuts maybe there will be, but I am confident that the Bills will have had to place him on PUP, IR or cut him by then. I know that you are frustrated, but there is absolutely no benefit to the Bills to cut him now.

I understand frustration that a high draft choice hasn't been able to contribute due to injury. However: 1. the injury is not his fault 2. by all accounts I have seen, he has worked hard to recover, be ready and be a good player 3. he has some talent (at least the Bills thought so when they drafted him in round 2) 4. there is no disadvantage to the Bills to put him on PUP or injured reserve except that they have to pay him. If they think he is working hard and could pan out, then I think they should keep him on PUP or IR.

While I am only listening on the radio, Fitz' stats were UGLY. Is it just him or a combination of the undrafted QB and a lack of talent at WRs? I know it is only pre-season, but I also really don't like the lack of runs while the 1s were in. We can hope that things will get better...

Vince Young has had trouble with his emotions and his understanding of schemes. I have not yet heard that he doesn't work hard. JaMarcus Russell showed up WAY overweight and never put in any sort of effort at all. Russell deserves to have failed out very quickly as he did. Young, I think might just be limited in terms of some skills/aptitudes that are essential in the NFL. I can root for a guy that tries and fails, I can boo a guy who doesn't try.

Larry Fitzgerald called out rookie WR Michael Floyd on Twitter charging him with DWI -"Don't Want It". Fitzgerald says that he is out working and Floyd has missed 3 straight days of workouts. Now, I am not saying that Floyd might not become great, but this is the kind of stuff that the pre-draft red flags on Floyd caused some concern about.

Of course, we would all want Brees IF he was free. I assume that most who voted no were considering what the team would have to give up for him.

I used to love it when Mr Adams was on the local sports radio shows leading up to the draft.

Special Teams were respectable last year and were pretty impressive considering how many injuries the team had. Special teams often take a hit when players that they were counting on are injured or are taken off special teams to replace injured starters on offense or defense. Still, I agree that Bobby April is a master special teams coach. DeHaven, though does have a long history of success, too.

I respectfully think that your view is too short-term focused. Sure, he could have traded a boatload of picks to move up and take a potential "franchise" QB, but he felt it was better to build the overall talent on the roster, especially the defense, up first. If he had traded, say, 2 #1s and a #2 pick to move up to grab a highly rated then the Bills would still have a UB-level defense and wouldn't be any more competitive (if they were as competitive as I think they'll be). I am all-in on fixing the D first. I would rather watch my team be in most games because the defense can hold good teams to low scores than the alternative. It is AWFUL watching a defense that has no hope at all of stopping any opponent. That is what we were watching 2 years ago with some improvement last year.

All jokes aside, I think that the Bills have two competent starters on their OL who didn't pan out with their first team. I like Erik Pears and Kraig Urbick starting for the Bills. Heck, if you disparage every guy who didn't make a team in his rookie season, then Fred Jackson wouldn't be in the NFL, either. Good Luck to Ed Wang - I hope that he has a good career.

I don't think he needs to get bigger, nor does he have any room to get bigger. Have a look at the picture posted earlier in this thread. The guy is built! 4-3 OLBs are generally not as big as 3-4 OLBs.

Given that many of the above play in the SEC or ACC, where the Bills seem to favor, I'd say there is a good chance one or more could be Bills. Based on what I've read from my favorite sources, I like DeQuan Menzie from Alabama and Brandon Boykins from Georgia as possible DB candidates.

I guess that we'll just have to wait and see how this one turns out, but it looks like a very odd pick to me.

I admit that teams are going all over the map now, but this is just a strange pick. Why not just keep Roscoe and take a LB, another OT or a CB here? He IS fast, at least.

3rd is too rich for him, maybe the 4th is, too.

The draftniks rated them as 1st round tackles, not the NFL teams. There is always a bigger demand for OTs (especially LTs) than the draft can fill. Rest assured that if any NFL teams had Glenn and Martin rated as 1st round caliber players, they would be gone given the need for OTs. Every year, there are OTs that weren't rated as 1st round players that get pulled into the 1st round because of this demand. I think that Glenn and Martin being available in round 2 says a lot about how the NFL views them.

Interesting question about David's size. I am not sure how the Bills view this. I know that Nix and Gailey have CLEARLY shown that they think height, weight and speed are very important. They have brought in much bigger players than were here before they got there. However, 4-3 LBs tend to be smaller and quicker/faster than 3-4 LBs. In the 3-4, the LBs have more pass rushing and run stopping responsibility (particularly in taking on OL). In the 4-3, they are in coverage more and play the run, too. To survive in coverage, they need to be more athletic and that usually translates to trading off some size.

Boy, as much as the need is there for a LT, if there isn't one there that they are REALLY sold on (and I don't think there is), then I could really get behind a pick on D. I really like the idea of Vinny Curry and, while I wasn't in favor of Courtney Upshaw in round 1, he could be a very good run-stuffing DE here with a little bit of pass rush ability, too. If they like LBs David or Kendricks, those could be good picks, but I suspect that neither fits Buddy's size criteria. All things being equal, I'd wait on a WR, but if Rueben Randle or Stephen Hill are available, they have to strongly consider them.

We'll learn in the 2nd round just how much or little the Bills believe in Chris Hairston's ability to play LT. I don't think Cordy Glenn will last until their pick and all of the Ts (including Glenn) have serious questions surrounding them: Glenn is obviously big and has been overweight. Some scouts call him a finesse guy. He may not have enough quickness to play LT, then what do you do with him (if the knock that he is a finesse player is true)? Martin - smart, fairly athletic, has a chance to play LT, but he too has been called soft and isn't as athletic as he was originally advertised to be. Massie - big, good effort, strong, played in the SEC, but has always played RT in college. Gamble to project him to LT, though he has the size and long arms but maybe not the feet. Then you have a bunch of guys that different evaluators rate all over the place Jeff Allen (Illinois) - Pro Football Weekly rates him high and thinks he can play LT, former NFL scout Russ Lande doesn't think highly of him at all. James Brown - Pro Football Weekly thinks he has some potential, others think he could be a decent OG. Mitchell Schwartz (Cal) - Big and smart, several years of starting experience, but most analysts think he would be a stretch to play at LT. I think that there will be better players available at other positions in round 2 including: Rueben Randle (WR LSU) Stephen Hill (WR GT) Mohamed Sanu (WR Rutgers) Vinny Curry (DE Marshall) Mychael Kendricks (OLB Cal) Lavonte David (OLB Neb) Courtney Upshaw DE interior OL Peter Konz To be clear, if the talent and character were equal, I'd MUCH prefer a guy with the potential to be a long-term starter at LT. However, I don't see a guy that I really like there and would strongly consider the other players listed over any of the OTs remaining.

I am neutral on this pick. Some think Very highly of Gilmore and the Bills did need a CB, but others think Gilmore should have gone quite a bit later. I know that Mile Mayock really likes Gilmore.