OldTimer1960

HAVE to keep him in the pocket

Man, better not be pass rushing Manziel aggressively.

Holy cow! Robert Woods rocks! I forget, what do they call it when a team gets the ball into that painted area at the end of the field?

Orton just ended the game

If the offense can score 10 points this half, they'll average 5 points per half. Really unacceptable.

Pretty sure that Manuel or Tuel could "manage" the offense to zero points.

This offens is HORRIBLE!

Need a turnover here.

Can't score = can't win

The offense is very poor. Defense can't be expected to win every game.

That is a good idea, but this team is awful at executing screens. Even when blockers get out in front of the receiver, they usually miss their blocks. That has been frustratingly true of OL, TEs and other WRs attempting to block on screen plays.

Sadly, hope must be placed on Orton's passing because there is NO run game with this OL.

OL is SOO BAD. No business going for it on 4th and short with this terrible line.

They scored 13 stinking points. They've averaged 15 points in their last two HOME games. Look, I am not saying it is all Orton's fault, but while they are moving the ball better than earlier this season, they are still not scoring anywhere near enough. No, it isn't all Orton's fault - just as it wasn't all Manuel's fault...

You say this in comparison to Orton? Have a look at Orton's first few year's in the league as a starter... His stats werent even as good as Manuel's. Now, to be clear I don't know if Manuel will ever become a good starting QB, but at least he *might*. Orton, on the other hand, is not going to suddenly improve after 9 years in the NFL. I am not suggesting that they bench Orton quite yet, but once this team falls out of playoff contention then unless Manuel has looked horrible in practice, he should get another shot.

...and score 13 points at home in a must-win game. ...and score 17 lousy points at home against a weak Minnesota team. Let's not pretend that they were t extremely lucky to beat Detroit and VERY lucky to pull out a win Vs Minn. in both cases, the defense won the game

Question why you say that Orton gives them a better chance to win. How many points per game were the Bills averaging eith Manuel playing vs their points per game under Orton? Take out the Jets' implosion and it is pretty darned close - 12 game starter vs 9 year vet. How foolish does WGR's discussion about giving Orton an extension look?

Because they scored 13 points at home. That isn't enough to win in the NFL

Aside from 43 points given to the Bills' offense by 6 Jets turnovers, Kyle Orton has led the Bills to 17, 22, 17 and 13 points. But for an epic meltdown by the Lions' K and a miracle catch by Chris Hogan to pull out a home win against a weak Vikings team, Orton's record as a starter would be 1-4. He is clearly not a long-term answer at QB, in spite of what some here have suggested. Heck, another loss at Miami on Thursday and it might be time to go back to Manuel. We know what Orton is after 9 years in the NFL - and that isn't good enough to be a playoff contender even with a very good defense. I know that Manuel wasn't playing well, but he is still young enough to at least *hope* that he could improve.

Let's remember that the offense scored just 17 points and gave away 7 - a net offensive output of 10 points. I am happy that they one and I'll even acknowledge that Orton just threw some passes that Manuel shied away from even attempting, but if it weren't for a miraculous catch by Watkins, nobody would be talking about Orton as an answer.

AWFUL no-call on pass interference there. They even threw the flag and then picked it up! How on earth can that happen????

Looking like a good call by the OP. Bills are clearly letting it loose - especially on O.

Here I thought that the conventional wisdom was that EJ was holding this offense back. I am thinking that was not totally the case...

Man, I guess it really was all EJ Manuel's fault. This offense is DYNAMIC with Kyle Orton playing QB.

I still holdout some hope that with better OL play that.EJ could play well. It isn't fashionable to acknowledge in the media or on this board, but a mixture of a young QB, young WRs, a weak OL, and an inexperienced Offensive Coordinator is most often going to look about like what we've seen. Poor OL play affects QB play - go ask Tom Brady how he is enjoying playing under pressure from pass rushers. If the OL doesn't play better, Kyle Orton won't have much better luck than EJ had.