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Is it even possible for a 28 year old player who has never played the RB position in his life to make an NFL roster with this complicated of an offense(as far as RB responsibilities)? Maybe he's just that smart that he is learning from watching but he's pretty much a liability if he isn't on top of blocking and receiving assignments. I assume he hasn't been playing much because he is just getting by on raw ability at this point. I see him as the equivalent of a track star who comes to camp and just runs 9 routes..........you gotta' see all the other stuff before you can keep him on the 53........and if he were doing it right in practice it seems he'd be out there more. It's not like Marcus Murphy and Sinorise Perry are studs taking carries away from him.........they might be reserves in the CFL let alone the NFL.

So you do realize that 6 of those 8 players were acquired in year 3 of McDermott's regime.......no? They drafted a CB and WR in rounds 1 and 2 in draft #1. They drafted a QB and MLB in round 1 in draft #2. That's not building "from the lines OUT". I know you are caught up in pre-season giddiness but at least tell the story right.

I'm encouraged by their preseason performance but that is the exact opposite of what McBeane did. And that's probably a good thing. Buddy tried to build from the lines out..........succeeded in doing that.........but failed to turn the team into a viable long term contender because building the lines at all cost ignores the fact that it's a matchup league and you need a QB and you need excellent players at the high $ positions to win in the modern NFL.

The first preseason game of the Marrone era was against the Colts and the Bills came out in no huddle with EJ the rookie and looked great. This board was giddy as hell. You guys are just too concussed from decades of losing. Short term memories are gone. Can only remember the 90's and earlier.

Glad to hear that the Malone family has taken in Da'Mattress.

Yeah that clears it up........the author is using US grading context. Usually if you produce sub 60% test scores.....sometimes even sub 65%....... in the US they don't bother differentiating beneath that..........you just get an F.

I think dave is pointing out that there is a lot bigger divide between the two than you appear to acknowledge. You are basically saying Bucker is a 79-80 grade and Shaq is a 69-70 grade..............they aren't that close to this point.............Buckner checks a lot of boxes that Shaq has not.

teef got gay jokes. More insight into our resident creepy family dentist and his 80's sense of humor.

#teef+Scott+obsession

Did Buckner have 2 "bad" years? I think he had 2 modest seasons but he was available and making a ton of tackles for a DL. I think bad is an overstatement. He was a higher ceiling prospect than Shaq but I think Shaq was considered closer to his ceiling on arrival. And that's the way it appears to be playing out for Buckner at least.

I never said those picks have "no value" straw man......... but there are zero proven difference makers on that list of 10 second round picks...........it's a who's who of guys who you can get cheap in free agency to fill a need and usually at a position of lesser value. If you think your team can be competitive you don't pass on even one season of a difference making pass rusher to save 4 seasons of Preston Brown or Zay Jones. Edit ONE difference maker in Bob Woods...........out of 10 years.

D+ is more than fair for Shaq to this point. I don't know about using "standard production" as a basis.........in no world has Shaq's production not been VERY disappointing. I think you need to use the first round to draft studs and even if that means getting some busts you don't take the average when grading as much as you pick the studs who end up in pro bowls and all pro lists and base the comparison there. The Pro Bowl is basically a who's who of early round picks for a reason. In a matchup league the difference between extraordinary and average is a chasm. By comparison A for Buckner is reasonable. Shaq's career totals for tackles and QB hits are just an average season for Buckner and he's evolved into a legit star now. I mean a guy that big with 70 tackles and 10+ sacks? That's what you want. And Buckner has been durable.

Clowney is not holding out for more money. He is holding out for a long term contract. Houston has no intention of giving him an extension. He has to report by week 11 to accrue an NFL season but he can withhold his services up until then so that gives him leverage to get him traded to a team that he and his agent can get a handshake agreement with to give him an extension.

I'm saying I'm not afraid of the Bills making moves with modest future draft capital to try to become a SB contender now. On paper the 2019 Bills may seem light versus the incumbent SB favorites but anyone who thinks that the 1990-1991 Bills went in SB XXV as the biggest SB favorite ever after 12 months of expectations of them dominating as they did are wrong. The organization was considered a dysfunctional mess and an afterthought heading into that season. The 1989 Niners were considered possibly the greatest team in NFL history at the time and were overwhelming favorites heading into that season. It was supposed to be them and 29 also-rans. Things can change. A first round pick for Clowney is too rich for me but take a look at the Bills history of 2nd and 3rd round picks. There are more Zay Jones and Reggie Ragnuts and more John Millers and Preston Browns than there are difference makers.

They think that their GM did an amazing job hiring the top young HC in the NFL and not half stepping in free agency and trades and creating an astounding franchise turnaround in just one season. That's how it's done now. But some Bills fans want a tepid, slow build because they are afraid of making mistakes and perhaps even afraid of success and the disappointment of losing in the playoffs.

Yeah great fit but I just can't see them paying a DE $20M per season............at least not until Brady retires and they have to start catering to star talent like every other team. Now if he were coming off 5 marijuana suspensions and playing for league minimum BB would be all over that. Man likes his bargains. I can't see the Texans and O'Brien trading him to NE. They'd sooner let him walk after the season, IMO. No question the Texans think they have a SB team and that the Patriots are their biggest hurdle.

Yes that really caught Nelson by surprise........once he left his feet Nelson gave him a good shove and relaxed assuming the play was over.

My guess has been that the Texans are just putting him out there to see if anyone is willing to give up something decent but will otherwise hold him to his tag. He has a lot of say where he goes but at worst the Texans should have him for the second half of the season...........he's not sitting out the year like LeVeon Bell.

I think the more concerning recommendation would be Stephon Gilmore. They are close and from same HS and hometown. But I don't necessarily think Gilmore would give a bad recommendation............he was pretty well treated in Buffalo...........and it's not like Clowney will just get to choose who pays him $20M. Most teams will not offer that it will just be a handful of needy ones. Thinking the LA teams and Dallas are out so the big towns without the scorn of the NY/Philly/Washington markets are out. Bears are set. Arizona and Denver already have their own $20M pass rushers. Colts are in same division as Houston. Bills seem like a decent fit.

Yeah this is where the relationship with Gaine and Clowney/agent comes into play. We've talked a lot about Clowney in other threads here but I think he'd fit in here too. He's from a very small town and is kinda' low key off the field.

Yeah he brings a physical element they otherwise lack at DE and even though he's not been a good one-on-one rusher he has always been an opportunistic vulture if others can force the chaos. On paper Shaq loses snaps to Clowney but since Clowney can be moved all over I think Shaq gets more opportunity to make plays in a defense with Clowney.

In his year and half in Buffalo Kelvin Benjamin cost them almost exactly what the Watkins 5th year option cost and was nearly worthless..........he might as well have had a broken foot. And they gave up a pick that was less than a full round later than what the Rams gave the Bills for Watkins. Their culture somehow survived KB I think they might have gotten by with Ol' Sammy. Whether some people want to admit it or not the decisions to not pick up his option and then to trade him were both poor ones.

I don't think anything starting with a 4th gets it done..........that's Reggie Ragnuts level compensation. After watching Ford struggle a bit to get his feet moving in pass pro at guard against the Colts I don't want to give up Nsekhe and have Ford at tackle without a net........... and I don't know that the Texans would even value Nsekhe for a draft pick. Did they bid on him in UFA?

Yeah I'd definitely part with either but I'd rather give up the 5th round pick and go for it this year.........Clowney is a DE but I would move him around so I would like Murphy and Shaq in the rotation. Johnson looks like he might be a Shaq replacement option next year but Shaq looks primed to have a good year.

I agree. The big change in the NBA in recent years is the idea of "position-less" basketball...........and the Bills would have the potential to do something similar on defense adding a player like Clowney to a defense that includes unusual specimens like Edmunds and Oliver and even a guy like Lorenzo Alexander. Clowney a tremendous run defender and a very sudden inside pressure guy too which is nice with the Patriots being a team that can run the football and having a QB who is most vulnerable to inside pressure. Ideally you get a more efficient QB hitter for $20M per year but Clowney is a potentially great fit for how they play defense and those sure-thing-sack-a-game Khalil Mack's aren't falling out of the sky and definitely not for reasonable compensation in trade.