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C'mon now. It's unusual for a 4th rounder to not make a roster.......ANY roster......it's a valuable pick. See Gabe Davis and Taron Johnson.......only 4th round picks they've made under Beane. It doesn't make the draft a disaster but in the decade of drafts prior to this one....... the Bills have traded away A LOT of their 4th round picks..........but when they used them more often than not they drafted starters like Gabe and Taron and Nigel Bradham and D'Norris (the finkasaurus) Searcy. Plus that LSU corner Ron Brooks, who was quite a good player for them.

I'm not as high on Booth as you are.......but I'd take it. Booth is a good prospect with CB1 potential.

You have to look at round 1 like spending $20M aav on a player in free agency, IMO. It's one of your few chances to get a high ceiling premium position player outside of the rare incidence in free agency when they are available without a bunch of warts. If you wouldn't view that player's ceiling as being worth that much money..........then pass. If none of them are.........you trade out. The Breece Hall rumors make no sense..........this is a guy at a low value position who could actually fall to round 3 even..........we've seen this with RB's over and over. If the Bills are floating this out there......which we don't know........then maybe what they are really advertising is that they are WIDE OPEN for business on a trade back and might be willing to take less than board value to do it. Because teams know a RB there is bad value and not a need.

McKissic was a college WR who didn't have the speed/explosion to play the position in the NFL..........so they converted him to RB. Hall is a 700 carry RB who caught some passes in college. Two totally different players. James Cook is a low mileage RB who is much more in line with McKissic in terms of skillset. But as I mentioned before...........the inefficiency in the draft market is an excess of WR's who don't have the combination of size or speed or deep ball skills to crack a WR corps in the NFL but could be converted into a pass catching RB like McKissic. I was hoping to see them use McKenzie like that last year after he had to settle for a vet minimum deal...........but even though it would be good for his bank account to become a JD McKissic type I don't think he has the physicality to handle the RB touches.

12-6 alone in first place Took care of business first two against the Tirds...........need to sweep.

RB's make whatever their draft slot pays........#25 pays around $15M over 4 years........hardly chump change........and all players become eligible for extension after year 3. The problem of course is that second contract. RB's know the deal..........teams don't want to pay them if they don't have to because RB's have short shelf lives..........so they are never worth more than after a good 3rd year.......whether they are a first round pick or otherwise. But ESPECIALLY if a first rounder........because NOW the team has to FULLY guarantee that 5th year option right after the 3rd year. Once they pull that trigger the team is on the hook for $10M+ more in guarantees in year 5..........so there isn't much for the RB to gain and potentially a lot to lose for the RB to play on that approx $4M-$5M 4th year. That's why the Bills are actually in a great position with Devin Singletary now..........if they had given him 250 carries and he still ran for his stellar career average 4.7 ypc he would have put up nearly 1200 rush yards and might be threatening for a holdout now. But he ain't got the money in the bank OR the bulk stats to pass on his modest $2M salary this year..........he needs to have his BEST season right now and hit free agency. 3 guys in a rotation rushing for league average 4.2 would be better than paying Najee Harris $4M per year to carry the ball 300 times for his woeful 3.9 yards per rush and catch 70 balls for a pathetic 6 yards per catch. Players at premium positions can hold out too but they have longer career outlooks and much greater chances of getting long term deals for many times the AAV of a top RB.

Schopp is saying he would love it because it makes their shows so easy to do and more popular to listen to when people are angry and disillusioned. Controversy = ratings and the back and forth makes him "feel alive". Drafting Breece Hall is job security for Schopp. It's true..........he and Boston sports fan Lap Dog will probably get extensions and raises. Good drafting has been bad for business in drive time.

The 80's were more than 30 years ago and pre-free agency altogether..........which was a significant turning point for the running game because teams could no longer keep offensive lines and RB's together in perpetuity. Your specific RB was much more important in the 1980's.........and still Thurman Thomas becoming the MVP as a second round pick was part of the gradual realization that you really didn't have to use first round picks on RB's even THEN. That gradually evolved throughout the 90's..........culminating with the Broncos turning Terrell Davis into a 6th round HOF'er and subsequently marching out a parade of JAGs and having them rush for 1,000+ yards every year in the Shanahan outside zone system (that some people think is new). Right around the turn of the century was the end of the association between great backs and great teams. I think either Davis or Marshall Faulk are the last RB's to lead the league in rushing and play on the SB winner. That used to be pretty common. So it became a two-fold issue.........you could find good enough ones anywhere in the draft...........and having the best ones really didn't help you win championships any longer. When Goodell really opened up the passing game with rules changes in 2010..........RB's became even less important.

Yep. There are RB's who could go late in the draft and be as good or better than Hall. Taking Hall early actually puts you in position to miss good value at RB later.........and it's a deep draft of RB's. Get the traits at premium positions while they are there. Breece Hall reminds me so much of Antowain Smith.........a near perfect score RAS superstar..........who didn't really pan out by the expectations of the day. The Bills badly needed a DE for their 3-4 and Trevor Pryce was commonly mocked to the Bills as the solution. Bills chose to go Antowain Smith first instead of Pryce........thinking they could get better value at both positions if they went RB in 1 and DE in round 2.......where they took Marcellus Wiley. They got decent players........but Pryce ended up with almost 100 career sacks. Lesser RAS RB's that went in round 2 were Tiki Barber and Corey Dillon.........who combined for around 25,000 rushing yards.

Meh........you are getting carried away with yourself just for the sake of it there. Addressing the offense with a first round pick first assumes that it's a position you should use a first round pick on. Technically a blocking TE, a fullback or a slot-receiver-only are also offensive players but throwing a first round pick at them doesn't really make sense. There are about 4 premium positions on offense.......QB/WRX/WRY/LT.........and a lineman who starts at RT or guard but is expected to graduate to LT also qualifies as a 5th premium option and certain great TE's.....like Kyle Pitts last season........qualify as great receivers in the same way that certain great DT's count as pass rushers.

Love: Jameson Williams Boye Mafe (I don't expect to love the picks this time around ) Expect: (my picks for the two players the Bills come out from this draft with from a month ago......so stick with it) Jameson Williams Troy Anderson Settle for: Andrew Booth Skyy Moore or Chris Olave Tariq Woolen This draft is probably the best chance the Bills have had under McBeane to just take swings at some high ceiling, high risk prospects at premium positions and hope to find themselves some future foundation pieces........instead of letting their late draft positions steer them into going broke making a profit with low ceiling/high floor types like the late 90's Bills did too often.

Make a living? This isn't a 3rd rounder making $900k per year and maybe still having $1M left in the bank if he's lucky. When you make him a first round pick he will have already earned $11M-$12M in his first 3 years. If he plays well.........he has that "war chest" in the bank to allow him hold out for a new contract after year 3. And if you don't oblige........having already picked up his 5th year option.........he can punish you and just show up late in the season of year 4........just in time to accrue a season........and at worst he gets to show up for his $10M guaranteed payday in year 5. So 3 seasons and an abbreviated one for around $25M. If he actually plays well enough to pick up the option in the first place. Which is only a 40% proposition........worst such % among regular positions. I guess if you are determined to screw yourself one way or the other............and it doesn't matter which way..........it's a no-brainer pick. For all the obsession with run-in' backs some of you really haven't thought this thru at all.

It's really not part of the new analytics. That's just bad math. If the RB plays well enough in his first 3 seasons to be worth of the fully guaranteed, pricey 5th year option(for a RB).........or heaven forbid, the franchise tag..........then they will likely be withholding services after year 3 to FORCE a new contract. See Zeke Elliott or Christian McCaffrey.........two tears of regret into the pillow of remorse. So ideally..........I guess you need that 1st round RB to play just well enough in his first 3 seasons to not have any leverage to hold out. You know.........like Devin Singletary. 4.5-5 yards per carry but only about 800 or so yards rushing........just south of the 1,000 magic number.

In the past 30 years the Bills haven't once lived to regret not selecting a RB in round 1 who subsequently went in round 1. The only regrets are the one's they did select. ALL of them. Drafting RB's in round 1 being dumb is "OJ did it" obvious..........except here the civil aspect is the actual decision. You may not like the take but you'd be betting against some incredibly steep odds to think it would turn into an excellent choice. Schopp said he "felt alive" having the debate LOL. That's why we are here........either to be entertained in my case......or to vent emotionally in yours.

Agreed. If you think that way you don't really understand why taking a RB early is a bad idea. It's not a matter of 10 spaces or 5th year options. It's debatable whether taking RB's in round 3 in back to back years wasn't an unnecessary over-invest. Taking one in round 1 or early round 2 still defies logic. If you are picking at 35 you should still have viable options at premium positions.

I caught Schopp and Bulldog on a rant about why you should NEVER take a RB in round 1 today...........and it was one of the most entertaining bits I've ever heard on WGR. It would so obviously be a stupid thing to do. But at the same time...........I do think the Bills could literally forfeit the 25th pick and still win a SB next year..........it's not an organizational maker/breaker. So from that aspect..........the entertainment value of them taking Hall would be off the charts. Schopp is right.........it would be GREAT for his show. Nobody cares to talk about good picks. Only controversial ones. And this would probably be the most reviled and/or polarizing pick in Bills history because of the peaked interest of the fan base and the social media aspect of the time. It would be wildly controversial here on TSW..........that's why this thread is so long. I'm not a finish line fan.........I want them to win a SB but I'm a fan either way and entertainment value is very important to me........it's one of the reasons I really didn't enjoy the mind-numbingly boring 2017 season until the very end.............and I can tell you that drafting Hall would be win/win from the entertainment aspect. Either he would be GREAT and it would be entertaining to watch...........or he will be anything south of GREAT and it will be fun to listen to and read about. His first stop short on 3rd down and the stadium will sound like his name is Bruce instead of Breece. It will get ugly........but ugly is better than boring.........and like I said he could end up a healthy scratch on a SB team........he is't making it happen......great RB's and SB's don't mix for the past couple decades.........but a bonehead pick probably won't break their season either.

Because the team is a contender only because of their passing game and they have gotten there by running a lot of 3 and 4 receiver sets. Currently, non-factor Jake Kumerow is WR3 as the top backup at both the X and Z positions.

Yep.......two bullets dodged. Hopefully they see that.

Considering the regime change, the routine nature of ACL recoveries and the fact Jax already has an RB1...........it speaks volumes that there have been no trade rumors about Etienne. Nothing depreciates faster when you drive it off the lot than a RB.

You are conflating Ed Oliver and Cody Ford.........which is a pretty big mixup. Let me know when I am proven wrong about my post draft take that trading up for and selecting Cody Ford (because "we need a tackle") was a bad move. Rule of thumb......if I said it.......it's almost always right. Like the Star Lotulelei contract. I didn't forget your Star excuses. I just chose to not rub it in the faces of you and some notable other Star defenders when they unceremoniously dumped hizass.

Najee Harris averaged almost a full yard per carry less than Devin Singletary last year. He posted a 3.9 ypc in a league where the AVERAGE rush goes for 4.2. Najee is fun to watch not play well or make a difference though. The jumping, etc..

The "Bills don't have many roster spots left" narrative is grossly overplayed. Tasker tried to sell that to Beane in the interview today and Beane pointed out exactly why they have plenty of roster spots. There are positions they might not draft due to depth..........like they didn't at CB in the early rounds last year because they didn't think a 2nd or 3rd rounder could beat out Dane Jackson(per Beane).........but it's very easy to find positions where they need depth even before the inevitability of injuries.

The lack of forced fumbles is glaring because he gets SO MANY opportunities on short throws underneath where he finds a receiver flat footed after they either squat down in zone or the QB stops them cold by delivering an inaccurate ball...........and Edmunds does not attempt to knock the ball out despite it being almost impossible for the ball carrier to break a tackle there. Contrast that to Darius Leonard who forced 8 fumbles last year and is a sure tackler WHILE routinely, instinctively delivering the peanut punch on the football.

Or be a smart organization..........draft or UDFA one of many late round WR's who would have been RB's in the NFL of 20 years ago but are now going to be well down an NFL WR depth chart......and use them like a wide-back..........turn that market inefficiency into your favor. RB's today are like CB's of yesteryear..........they play those positions only because they CAN'T play receiver. Exceptions are rare........probably only Christian McCaffrey could be a real legit NFL receiver..........and playing RB tore hizass up. Even Alvin Kamara isn't that guy. Top RB's are only going to give you Cole Beasley like 7-9 ypc production. Getting bigger receiving #'s from your back is always an aspiration but I think some people have this idea in mind that throwing screens to RB's totally catches defense's with their pants down. It's not true. Running backs almost always operate within 5 yards of the LOS..........it makes them pretty easy to account for. Whereas a receiver who might run a 9 route on a CB 30 yards down the field..........throwing a screen to him can be explosive........if he is quick and elusive........or has the instincts and contact balance of a RB(which is what Deebo Samuel is, in addition to being a downfield weapon).