starrymessenger

They would in that case probably both look better imo. As for the bet, to me its a 50/50 proposition at this point. Taylor has the assets we know about and he is experienced, but he really isn't very good at throwing a football. You clearly win the bet if you are of a mind to write Peterman off as a prospect. Speaking for myself I'm not there already, although I gather many are.

Watched the Rams and Vikes earlier today. Case Keenum, a scheme dependant journeyman QB continued his excellent play. Call me crazy but I'm pretty sure Peterman would have looked a lot better, and maybe even good, behind that line and with the Vikes weapons at his disposal. Last year Keenum was pretty aweful behind a bad line and with fewer weapons. I don't think coach was wrong to start Peterman because he is a fifth round raw rookie. It appears to me that he miscalculated by not taking into consideration just how bad the O-line was in pass pro especially going against a team that can get after the QB. Losing Benjamin and Matthews only made a bad situation much worse, in fact downright impossible to overcome. When Ben and Brady came in as rooks/raw QBs they were surrounded with and supported by much better players than we have on our roster. The nightmare that is this defence probably on its own was enuf to seal our fate as far as competing for the win was concerned. I don't know who coach will or even should start in KC. There really are no good options and I'm not sure which of the two is worse.

not even HoFmers imo

The team was not ready to be starting the rook either.

Disagree. Its a challenge but if he was ever meant to amount to anything he will put it out of his mind. If he cant do that it was never meant to be.

Well at least we know that Johnson and Gove are the result of generations of Conservative party inbreeding. Whats the Bills excuse?

You may be right. You might not. Hard to imagine a worse debut for Peterman for sure. Not sure how much is on him. But we've seen a lot more of Tyrod and imo he is not the answer.

ok ive seen enuf

Its a bad day I know but not imo.

now that was a bad throw

we gonna win

snakebit.

Tyrod is history in Blo for sure. Don't understand how some folks think he could serve as a backup on this team. The scheme is the scheme and he jusr does not fit it. If Peterman can't cut it as a starter he has a better chance of being the backup to the guy with the better tools (hopefully) that the Bills can land in the draft.

For sure they did. Would expect all the teams had some level of scouting there, some more than others. The announcers said even some CFL teams had people there lol. Rosen has some arm. Perfect for a WCO. Wonder if Darnold will ever learn to not turn the ball over.

Cant they trade his rights (option) at any time before he becomes a FA?

Exactly. It was like having literally no offensive line at all. As good as Bosa and Ingram are at getting after the QB, and as suspect as Mils and Ducasse are in pass pro, Peterman will have better protection today. He can work the pocket it would appear, but he needs to actually have one needless to say.

JMO but I think accuracy (and everything that contributes to it) has much more to do with it in Tyrod's case. Thats what (rightly) makes him risk averse. Y'know I like Rosen and Darnold too, but I seriously doubt we get to draft either one of those guys.

Player for player with Jags. They are up against the cap and have a lot of defensive talent.

Its an incredibly small sample size but I think it probably gives us a valid indication of what happens when you "unleash" Tyrod as a passer. Look at his performance in the Pro Bowl, where play is more open and less "disciplined". He made a lovely enzone corner throw for a td if memory serves. He also threw 3 picks. Thats why he doesn't take chances. His coaches know it, and he probably does as well.

200 + yards, 2tds and a pick was also my guess (for what little its worth).

I believe him when he says that he has friends who are Bills fans. Refreshing to see someone with legitimate insights on a national media platform. Aside from the obvious merit of his basic analysis I do take issue with his comments on how black quarterbacks are disadvantaged as a reflection of systemic socioeconomic prejudice. I'm not buying that line. Its not that I think racism doesn't exist. But I think that the NFL, for all its faults, is perhaps something of an exception to the big picture. And thats because its hypercompetitive nature forces it to be more of a meritocracy. Focussing on Tyrod's case as an example, if he was better at throwing a football he'd be the crown king of Buffalo and he'd be universally recognized as one of the best signal callers in the game, like Russell Wilson. The author seems to acknowledge that the intrinsic geometry of the modern NFL game requires a QB to execute from the pocket, whatever else he can do. Unless he subscribes to a conspiracy theory according to which this requirement is not only optional but but somehow designed to disadvantage players of colour he cannot have it both ways because these perceptions cannot be reconciled. Another place where he hedges his bets is in his analysis of Peterman (though Peterman is not really the subject of his piece). First, he acknowledges that we don't really know what we have in Peterman. But then he has no difficulty in commenting on his relatively low ceiling and, essentially, positioning him a clear notch below Cousins, and maybe a notch above Jeff Tuel. His assessment might of course be correct but you can't have it both ways. Either you know, or think you know, or you really don't. He is relying for his opinion on what we know about Peterman: that he is a fifth round prospect with something less than ideal measurables. He'd probably feel differently about him if he was two inches taller and 15 lbs heavier, bigger and stronger. I prefer to say that we just don't know yet. How smart is he? How well will he continue to see the field at this level of play? Can he improve his tangibles via strength and conditioning? Is his skillset on an upward trajectory despite the step up in competition? What a prospect perhaps lacks in one objectively relevant classification of the job description he can maybe (more than) make up for in another. We just don't have the answer to these questions (yet).

If it is clear that he is completely in over his head I will be disappointed especially if its so bad that the team has no choice but to haul Tyrod out of the mothballs after a couple of quarters. I don't expect that to happen. Of course turnovers is something to worry about. I think I see a little too much air under some of his throws.

True, of course. But the fact that both the WR and the QB fit the system confirms that they already knew the direction they wanted to go in. The fact that they waited until the fifth to pick Peterman also suggests to me that if he turns out to be any good he will be greatly exceeding their expectations. And especially given their choice of scheme if he pans out they really will have lucked out.

I must confess to being wowed somewhat by Mahomes athleticism and arm strength. I think I maybe do see a young Favre type. My concerns with him were mechanics and whether he could manage the transition to an NFL offence and of course nobody knows the answer to that question yet though of course Andy Reid thinks he does. To me he remains a top shelf prospect, but nothing more than that (which is basically what all these new QBs are). But there was no rational explanation for the Trubisky-Peterman draft position gap, especially considering that MT was pretty much a one year wonder and Peterman had a more complete resume. I actually think the two are comparable as far as their respective basic skill sets are concerned and I see them as close to equivalent prospects for continued development. I would not be surprised if their onfield performance the rest of this year bore this out. I would also not be surprised if Peterman outperformed Mitch either. Whether he pans out or not I think that as a QB prospect Peterman was indeed a steal in the fifth. I agree that the "Peterman effect" is a distinct possibility, though pretty much a best case scenario. As with any QB prospect, or indeed for a young player at any position, the question is whether his abilities continue to show an upward trajectory at the next and final level. This means not only addressing the flaws in his game but also improving on the things that he already did well in college. I don't think its unreasonable to think/hope that Peterman is that kind of guy. If he is he'll probably be the Bills starting QB for the forseeable future.

Shaw, like him or not Romo in his prime was a great QB (not in the GOAT discussion to be sure, but still a great QB imo). The knock on him (one of them) coming out was "only average" arm strength. I agree with your Fitz comment but I strongly suspect NP is much closer to Romo than Fitz as far as arm strength is concerned. So not a throw limiting weak arm. I also agree that we will only know for sure after we have seen a lot more of him. If my guess is right chances are we may have landed a real steal at the all important position.