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No unfortunately I didn't break it down like that. I can't waste that much time at work!

I fixed it in the op. You can now come to this thread unafraid!

Then you phrased it very poorly by tacking on win totals at the end. Wins and losses are caused by so many more things than just the QB. Look at the names of the guys I listed previously. We would all agree those QBs are better than Tyrod yet their teams finished with worse records. I absolutely 100% want TT back. I don't think he is done developing even though I agree he took a step back this year. His first 2 years starting mirror Russel Wilson's quite nicely. Wilson was given the luxury of a top notch defense and rode it all the way to a super bowl. With another off season of maturation physically and mentally I would like to see if he can duplicate the Seattle and Miami games. I started another thread with qb cost per team per win but even if the Bills were to draft a guy in the first and keep TT they still would only have about 20 million in cap space tied up in the position. The only reason not to keep Tyrod is if they think he has completely developed. I can't argue against that I just don't believe it to be true. As I said in the Watson thread if we had a rookie come in and after 2 years perform at the level TT only the most negative of negative posters would want to move on. He has his warts but I think he is still growing as a QB.

How?!?!? but thank you!

why is it so hard to paste and post a table! Anyone know how to do it?

This came up in another thread. The question posed was how much did each win cost in QB salary. I didn't quite follow it but I took the positional group as a whole and divided it by wins. Here are the results: Team Cost Wins Total Den 2,261,158 9 251,240 Oak 4,623,009 12 385,251 Tenn 7,534,058 9 837,118 TB 8,192,029 9 910,225 NE 15,245,534 14 1,088,967 Mia 13,174,117 10 1,317,412 Phi 9,850,243 7 1,407,178 Buff 10,292,562 7 1,470,366 Minn 12,583,908 8 1,572,989 Hous 14,412,646 9 1,601,405 KC 20,170,000 12 1,680,833 Dallas 24,140,848 13 1,856,988 Seattle 18,997,000 10 1,899,700 GB 19,910,318 10 1,991,032 NYJ 10,107,897 5 2,021,579 PITT 25,334,805 11 2,303,164 ATL 25,500,000 11 2,318,182 NYG 25,588,400 11 2,326,218 LAR 9,453,311 4 2,363,328 Cin 14,195,413 6 2,365,902 Indy 19,900,000 8 2,487,500 Det 23,338,820 9 2,593,202 NO 18,500,000 7 2,642,857 Wash 22,237,333 8 2,779,667 Ariz 20,967,646 7 2,995,378 Balt 24,050,000 8 3,006,250 SD 17,180,000 5 3,436,000 Jax 10,864,198 3 3,621,399 Car 22,310,000 6 3,718,333 Chi 20,140,352 3 6,713,451 SF 20,228,753 2 10,114,377 Cle 11,022,378 1 11,022,378 522306736 254 2,056,326 Some interesting things: bottom 3 teams per win are the top 3 teams picking. Part of that is because of the small number fo wins but in the case of Chicago and SF they have quite a bit of money tied up in subpar qbs. The average is just over 2 million per win. Only 4 of the playoff teams went over the average. The other 8 were under. The best win:cost ratio were for 4 teams that have rookie qb contracts. NE being 5th is just criminal. IMO part of what makes Brady so good is his willingness to take less money than his competitors to help have a better team around him. Flacco got paid and his team is now terrible because of it. If Buffalo extends Tyrod and has his cap hit of 17 million while winning 17 games they would be at the 10th highest cost per win. If they were to improve to 9 wins they would drop all the way to 19th.

I'm a sucker for something like this. I'll try to work it out... For the last time.... Wins and Losses are not a QB stat. Your hypothetical is inane at best. Nobody that wants to keep Tyrod thinks that doing so will net 6 wins nor do they want to see that from the Bills. You are making schedule projections in January ffs. When the schedule came out last year did you think the Bills would beat the Bengals? Did you think the Panthers would finish as poorly as they did? Phillip Rivers, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Drew Brees, and the #1 and #2 pick from last year all finished with 7 or fewer wins last year.

Way off topic but both baby oil and hand sanitizer will get rid of permanent marker without much effort. Sharpies used to be a big problem during my younger days when drinking lol.

Just last year Fitz was given 12 million and Bradford signed a 2 year 35 million dollar contract. Both of those were considered to be bridge guys. You really need to look around the league for what the contract pays and where that places him. On the face of 40 million it seems extreme until you see that it puts him as the 17th highest paid QB. Ignoring the absence of Watkins for the majority of the year and the abysmal receiving corps in general would be indicative of an agenda... Didn't qualify obviously. Even if Dak hadn't planted him on the bench he wasn't healthy enough to return until week 10. Romo has played in 5 games in the last 2 seasons, will be 37 at the start of next season, and hasn't played a full season since 2012. How can anyone think he is reliable enough to lean on as a bridge? It's over for Romo.

Dammit! How can you say TT has reached his ceiling? Carr has certainly passed him. Bridgewater has a severe knee injury, may never play again, and put up worse stats that TT in almost every single catergory. Garropolo has sat behind Brady and played in a few games. He could be Steve Young or he could be Rob Johnson. Why can't TT continue to develop? He is 27 years old and about to enter the age where most qbs play their best. I want to add to this discussion... If the Bills draft a QB and in his first 2 years he gets invited to the pro bowl both years and puts up TT's stats would anyone want to move on from him? Is the difference between him being 24 and 27 really that huge? If we draft Watson and he goes for 47 tds and 12 ints and over 7000 yards wouldn't we all be ecstatic? We have a guy that just did that and people want to move on. Whomever the Bills draft the majbobbys and Ryan L Billz of the board will be ready to declare him a bust after his first preseason game...

no worries! (I wonder how many bumps it will take before he comes back to respond )

No I 100% agree with you. I'm disagreeing with his assertion that neither of those teams have a strong running game.

Paging Majbobby to respond. Atlanta has a pair of really good running backs in Coleman and Freeman. NE has a big bruiser in Blount (led league in TDs) and 2 very capable pass catching backs in Lewis and White. Seriously your takes are showing how little football you watch around the league.

You are right.... now it's 0-36! I did indeed post this little stat to show that many stats can be manipulated. Also to show that some stats are much more team stats than qb stats. Rodgers has many times put his team in position to win only to have his defense fail him. Another interesting (read stupid) stat from yesterday. Rodgers is the first Qb to take his team to the post season 6 straight years and not qualify for the super bowl in any of them.

After some thought... I'll go with selling home games to Toronto. That move was an insult to fans, opened the door to the team moving, and was a clear cash grab. Close second is the Jauron extension. Signing up for more of that was unbelievable to me.

Absolutely! If we were discussing TT though I'm sure that stat would be chalked up to garbage time lol.

Believe me I'm not saying TT is rodgers. Rodgers is in arguably a top 3 qb in the game right now. I'm arguing against how stupid the 4th quarter comebacks stat is. It is a team stat much more than a qb stat imo. This 0-35 includes games where gb took the lead and the defense gave up a game winning score.

That article is from 2013 and doesn't take into account w/l record of opponent. I posted in a different thread but Rodgers only averages 1 4th quarter comebacks a year over his career. Since this is one of the main things used to bash TT I wanted to show what the best qb in the game does.

Scott kacsmar is the name of the guy that tweeted it out yesterday. I'm not on Twitter but saw it on reddit.

When trailing in the 4th,quarter by more than 1 point against teams with a winning record. You know why I posted this stat Tyrod haters.

Gunner I like your list but moved some people around. Here is what I got: 1. Aaron Rodgers 2. Tom Brady 3. Drew Brees 5. Matt Ryan (4) 4. Ben Rothlisberger (5) 6. Philip Rivers 7. Russell Wilson 8. Andrew Luck 9. Matthew Stafford 13. Derek Carr (10) 10. Eli Manning (11) 15. Jameis Winston (12) 12. Cam Newton (13) 14. Marcus Mariota (14) 19. Kirk Cousins (15) 16. Dak Prescott 18. Andy Dalton (17) 17. Alex Smith (18) 21. Tyrod Taylor (19) 20. Ryan Tannehill (20) 11. Joe Flacco (21) 22. Sam Bradford 23. Carson Palmer 25. Carson Wentz (24) 24. Jay Cutler (25) 26. Blake Bortles 31. Colin Kaepernick (27) 27. Trevor Seimian (28) 30. Ryan Fitzpatrick (29) 32. Robert Griffin III (30) 28. Brock Osweiler (31) 29. Jared Goff (32) I had to get rid of your categories as I moved guys around but most of my list is close to yours.

Yeah me too that is why I chose to bold that section. TT may not ever be a top 5 QB in the league but I see a guy still developing and right around the 20th best qb give or take a guy. His money doesn't make him an albatross a la Flacco and his stauts doesn't preclude the Bills from drafting someone. Try to get better at the position but it doesn't mean they have to get worse to do that. Maintain status quo AND try to improve. It is so simple!

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-rumors-cleveland-browns-to-pursue-tyrod-taylor-if-cut-by-buffalo-bills-011717 The Buffalo Bills are a mess. Not only did they hire and fire former head coach Rex Ryan in a two-year span, but are seriously considering cutting their Pro Bowl starting quarterback Tyrod Taylor. For whatever reason, his 61.7 completion percentage for 3,023 yards, 17 passing touchdowns and six interceptions in 15 games isn’t good enough to keep him as a long-term solution in Buffalo. Being labeled as Ryan’s guy totally hurts him, but Taylor is at very worst a serviceable starting quarterback in the NFL. He is certainly better than E.J. Manuel, Cardale Jones, or whomever the Bills could draft at No. 10 in the 2017 NFL Draft. Everything us that are members of the COT( because somehow it is a knock to support a player on our favorite team ) have been saying. So at least 1 team will be bidding on his services...

It is hilarious that the Pats* fan on the board is okay with whining That said the NBA implemented something like this a few years ago. The new rule that Javie referred to is an attempt by the N.B.A. to cut down on the whining and muttering, the arm-waving and air-punching, the drawn-out contentiousness that is often generated by foul calls players disagree with. If players cannot keep a lid on the complaining, they will receive a technical. It has worked tremendously well and I would love to see it in the NFL. It was embarrassing this weekend watching the games and watching these grown men act like babies. How annoying is it to see every wr call for pi on every route run? How ridiculous is it that coaches can just berate the officials on the sideline? This rule could work and should be implemented. The NBA is enjoying great success recently. A rule can and should be put in place. They are adults and should act like it... To the OP though the NFL NEEDS to go to the college replay system. If the call is wrong it should be corrected it shouldn't matter the circumstance. College does it right and it doesn't mess with the flow as much as I expected it to.

Which was more than Seattle the very next week. Houston made it with the 29th ranked passing game, Miami made it with the 26th, Dallas with the 23rd. Buffalo had more yards on the year than KC, Detroit, Miami, NYG, and Houston. Buffalo scored more points than 11 of the 16 playoff teams. Buffalo's Defense on the other hand only finished better in yards that playoff teams Miami, Oakland, KC, and Houston. Buffalo's Defense gave up less points than 4 of the 16 playoff teams. Just some MORE food for thought.