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It wasn't on the first page, but some decent discussion about the show: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/128965-grudens-qb-camp/

Did anyone watch that conference yesterday? I did, and I got the distinct impression that we will not be drafting a QB with our first pick. I know there are a few soundbites about QBs, but keep in mind they were being asked questions about QBs. Truth? Smokescreen? Truthscreen? 8 more days?

I can also see them trying Batten inside...though of course we don't know what we'll get from him. Moats is strictly an outside backer.

I had to chuckle when I pictured that scenario taking place. I'm excited to see more playing time from Moats, Batten (for the first time), and Miller (if we draft him)

Phew. I really was worried I was the only one who couldn't handle that show. P.S. I went back and watched the end of the Mallett segment (you know, the part where Mallett speaks). He really was impressive when discussing plays. Very enthusiastic and what appears to be an honest love of the game.

I was down on mallett too until I saw him discuss X's and O's. I wouldn't mind if we picked him up in the 2nd. His ceiling is crazy high.

I just had to reply to this, because I love the ring that "rocket surgery" has to it.

I'd really love to watch the show, but I honestly can't stomach Gruden. I made it about 30 seconds into Mallet's interview before I had to close it. Gruden is just awful...ugh (oddly, i liked him as a coach). I'll have to try watching again though, because I am surprised to hear that Mallet redeemed himself when discussing x's and o's...

I was thinking that we might do something new to our logo. While we know we'll still have the charging buffalo, I wonder if they made it more aggressive (a la cardinals/lions). The logo is basically the same, with a few updates. While this wouldn't inherently be a bad thing, I have my doubts as to how well the Bills would carry out such an update, and hope/expect that the logo remains unchanged. EDIT: I'm also not reading into a website modification.

Just for the hell of it, I completely concur with the below statement: Gailey has endured .... I was unhappy when Gailey was announced as head coach, but he has won me over. I think he is the right coach to turn the Bills around. Call me crazy, but I think there are more than a few fans who feel the way I do. Also, last year's draft was not awful, even if Spiller didn't produce (hopefully he turns it around this year). Am I just a homer, incapable of recognizing "bad moves" by our beloved organization? No. In fact, I am often quite pessimistic about the Bills, but Chan Gailey and his tenure so far have me believing that our team could be on the right track.

This made me chuckle.

Not at all the case. I lived in Denver for years (up until last year), and I can tell you the views its citizens hold are not inline with your thinking. Also, Tebow is idolized in colorado, those fans ADORE him. Wow, hard to believe we watched the same games haha. Well, what are ya gonna do, to each their own, we saw very different things out on the field. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he succeeds, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he's just mediocre for a couple years then falls into a backup role somewhere.

Having watched the games, I wasn't impressed with his QB play. No, I'm not hating, but I just wasn't convinced he'll make it. It is certainly possible that he could, but the jury is still out. -With regards to Ponder, I hope he lasts into the 2nd, I think he could be a very special quarterback (I guess my hope of stealing him in the 3rd is delusional)

Yeah I have to think Ponder is their guy, and I'm ok with that. I've watched him for a few years and really like his style and tenacity. I'd like to take him in the third, but doubt he falls that far, and I bet we take him with #34.

I just don't get all the excitement about Kaepernick. I watched most of UNR's games this year, and I didn't see an NFL qb. I guess only time will tell.

As much as i think Ponder will be better than Gabbert, I have to agree with a few posters on here that 34 is a bit high for him. I think that several qbs will fall into the third. What I'd really like to see is a defensive draft (although i'd like an OT, perhaps at 34) until the 5th when we take ricky stanzi. USA #1.

If we take a quarterback this year, I want it to be ponder in the 2nd. (I'd love it to be in the third, but not sure he falls that far).

Man what an odd year for QBs. I'm also not sold on the 'top' prospects (especially Gabbert...hype job). Ponder and Stanzi have just as much potential with a lower risk imo. We all have our opinions.

I'm a fan of Stanzi. I wouldn't mind taking him as long as it s at a reasonable pick

jw- I never called you condescending or boorish, and was under the assumption that all of my posts were civil. I thought we were having "reasonable discourse." I understand that you are responding to many posters who disagree or take umbrage with your initial post, so I assume that some of those remarks were not directed at me. My "teasing" comment wasn't a personal attack, I was just surprised at your choice of words ("style over substance"), after you acknowledged the 'not mutually exclusive' point/statements. I hope you didn't take it as such. I don't view this as a win/lose game, I just enjoy talking about the Bills. I hope no one actually insinuated that you needed to apologize for anything? EDIT: It just boils down to our disagreement over this, obviously . Agree to disagree. I'm excited to have (hopefully) better looking/more classic Bills jerseys than the current ones. You're not excited, and that's fine. Go Bills.

Though I, along with many of the posters, have pointed out that getting new uniforms and achieving substantive change on the football field are not mutually exclusive, you continue to make remarks like this. Yes, the uniform change is a stylistic change. It is not, however, style over substance. If that were the case, this uniform change would take the place of any attempts to get better during this offseason. Apparently you don't like the uniform change, fair enough. I know that as a writer, especially one that goes on public record, you're going to make your argument and have every right to back it up. That's a good thing, and adds to what makes this forum great. At this point, however, you're just teasing us. You know that a changed uniform has no impact on what the Bills will do to get better. It will neither help them nor hurt them in any significant manner. I'm happy the Bills are changing uniform designs. I want the Bills to improve on the field even more. Hope you stick around, I have enjoyed many of your posts in the past.

+1! Oh god, I can recall everything from that fateful day

+1 Thanks for compiling these, the first one is great. The rest are a bit too...i dunno

Absolutely.