Mr. WEO

Rodgers over Kupp 2021 was the worst.

he's done. who cares?

I think what we are disagreeing on is Dan Jones, at any time in his career, being a "win now" proposition. He just isn't and never was. Daboll and Schoen believing he was is their problem. No one else in the NFL thought this was the case. Everyone saw this guy play--and how the Giants played after the bye in 2022. Cheers!

Proving your point?? Tyrod (who had a similarly "decent" year in 2017), led the Bills to their first playoff game in almost 2 decades. He didn't get 40 million because the Bills FO understood that those numbers are backup QB numbers (drafting the next franchise QB would be the following spring) and only 3 people on earth are dumb enough to pay that much for that mediocre play from a QB who had been bad the 3 years previously. So, to recap, The Bills didn't pay their Daniel Jones level QB (even though they broke the drought with him) because they knew they could do better with a rookie in the upcoming draft. The Giants brain trust, in contrast, decided to wildly overpay/re-sign their barely mediocre QB because he won a playoff game, instead of drafting his sorely needed replacement. They have been 3-10 with him starting since they resigned him--2 years ago.. He's as terrible as ever, which makes this a completely avoidable error.

he can't even run any more--averaging an anemic 3.7 per.

They are backup level QBs, which is the point. So is Jones. Tua, Murray, Herbert, Lawrence all got huge contracts...zero playoff wins. But at least you can point to some points in their careers where they were putting up numbers. Danny Dimes never has. He's been putting up Tyrod Taylor on the Bills numbers. Who offered Tyrod 40 million for that? You can't with a straight face say "wow, Daniel Jones has really fallen off from his 2022 season. His performance now is shocking". Nor could you claim that the Giants are better off this year with Jones and Nabers than, say, Penix and a FA WR---especially after the Giants brain trust got rid of the offense when the let Barkley go.

He's one Josh Allen short of being a potentially decent NFL HC.

They aren't. They are Mac Jones numbers. Mariota numbers. Andy Dalton numbers. Brock Purdy had nearly as many passing TDs in only 5 games. These are/were all backup quality guys at the time. It wasn't even Jones's best season! He's had one season with over 15 TD passes. How many starting NFL QBs keep getting handed the ball year after year with those numbers? He's awful.

He and the Giants were terrible down the stretch--they won 3 of their last 9 games. He was a bad QB in 2021 and 2020. He didn't fall off a cliff....he never made it to the edge of a cliff. Then he was injured. Now he's back and he still sucks. All of this was predictable.

Jones sucks. this was known. the answer is that neither combo can possibly win "this year", gun or none.

maybe you are redefining "obviously"? they've won 2 games. they have the League's worst Offense. how does this give them "a better chance to win now"?

Saleh has been on the hottest of seats for 2 seasons. There's no chance at all Douglas was surprised by this. Johnson was on the phone with Rodgers the night before he fired Salih---and Rodgers also, comically, claims he didn't know. Anyway, the Mara family doesn't have a history of being particularly meddling. Even if Daboll hated Jones, he could have drafted a QB at 6 this year and just rode out Jones's next 2 years. But he didn't.... Jones is Daboll's guy at the time of that contract signing.

the Giants owner and it’s GM are2 different people

man, this kid's slow

Looking at Jones's production even in that prove it year, the owner would have seen far less in Jones than the guys he pays to inform him. Also, the Giants could have corrected their mistake, if Daboll was truly down on Jones, by picking a QB at 6. They again rolled the dice with Jones by picking him a WR.

i don't accept that the HC and GM you recently hired would be given no choice over the most important decision they could be asked to make. As it happened, the Giants didn't pick up his 5th year, making his 4th season his "prove it " year. They won a playoff game and the FO quickly rewarded him with a new contract.

"poor owner"? anyway, that poor owner made a poor choice for HC and GM. I bet another NFL won't make those mistakes.

He was a driving force in re-signing Danny Dimes. He watched Barkley walk out the door. Josh doesn't need Daboll. Daboll needs Josh.

Levis is better. Rudolph is so bad even Mike Tomlin didn’t want him—and the Steelers have thrown 5 TDs all season.

Tenn stinks. Rudolph is them tanking

which one is he now?

Bills Independent Neurotrauma Expert cleared him...

The NFL is in decline....because I say it is!!!! Anyway, to all the "purists" out there: the NFL requires 16 commercial breaks per game (this hasn't changed in YEARS)--8 per half, 2 being mandatory at the end of the 1st and 3rd Q and at the 2 minute warnings. The other 6 per half can be used after TDs/PAT/FG or injury, team TOs. Also total penalties called per game 2015-2023 have decreased 16%. No "premiere RB" has ever averaged 30 carries a game. Only one who came close over a season was 18 years ago... So, in reality, many of the reasons cited in this thread as emblematic of "the decline of the NFL" aren't not fact based, but based on feelings. So why keep posting about a game you no longer enjoy watching?

posters here doing more posturing than Tua on his second concussion….

what are the objective signs a day or more after the hit? I don't know how long or if they should have held him out. that was not my point at all. I simply said his very brief exam seemed unlikely---and that had the exact same hit and response had been on Tua and he was simply handed smelling salts and bolted the tent in 4 minutes or less, this place would be howling bout how bad the Phins were handling him. that's all